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IT’S THE TIMING, NOT THE FILM:
New Frames from Pentagon Crash Video Show Langley Embarrassing the 9/11 Truth Movement
byJamey Hecht, Ph.D.Senior Staff Writer
© Copyright 2006, From The Wilderness Publications, http://www.fromthewilderness.com/. All Rights Reserved. May be reprinted, distributed or posted on an Internet web site for non-profit purposes only.
May 19, 2006 1000 PST – (FTW) – LOS ANGELES - Today the Pentagon released a few more frames of video from a surveillance camera that recorded the explosion at the Pentagon on 9/11. The alleged rationale for their timing has to do with the Moussaoui trial; showing the video any earlier supposedly would have compromised the proceedings (somehow), but now that he’s been through the system, the frames can be shown. The shorter edit we’ve all been watching for five years does not include these new frames at the beginning, which show the Boeing 757.
Or they show an indistinct length of white that instantly disappears into the blooming fireball.
Or they show the contrail of a rocket-propelled missile.
Or they show an artificially interpolated streak of white pixels.
Or they show Superman running at lightning speed.
What matters is the propaganda value of releasing this particular document at this particular time. At FTW we feel vindicated. Like John Judge and Mark Robinowitz, we realized very early that the question of Flight 77 would cost everyone more than it was worth. As for what hit the Pentagon, I reckon it was AA77 (I used to think otherwise), but I don’t want to add a line to the impassioned terabytes that have been written on this issue. What’s crucial, from our perspective, is what happens to the legal case for means, motive, and opportunity that Mike Ruppert was the first to construct in Crossing the Rubicon: The Decline of the American Empire at the End of the Age of Oil. That is the moral heart of the mass murders of 9/11: specific individuals had the means, motive, and opportunity to achieve the horrors in question, and there is more than enough non-physical evidence to convict them in an impartial court. The physical evidence is a snake-pit, no matter what the truth is. Who controls the physical evidence? The scrap metal from the WTC, the black boxes, the debris? Who controls the release or retention of surveillance videotapes? The war machine and its fractious minions at Langley.
Arguing about the physical evidence not only divides and exhausts the truth movement, it also links the very question of 9/11 truth to the most vulnerable hypotheses suggested in answer. Why? Because in our War McNews culture, the public’s attention is caught by the more shocking, more absurd, more simplistic stories—no plane hit the Pentagon, no planes hit the towers, holograms, pods, King Kong—whereas only a few literate men and women will take the time to read a lengthy investigation of exactly who did what and when. Now that five years have elapsed, and the very idea of government complicity is popularly associated with the “no-plane” hypothesis, PRESTO! Here are the missing frames of film to confirm that there was no government complicity. It doesn’t matter what the frames actually show. What matters is the talk at the water cooler: “Lee Harvey Oswald Acts Alone, Pilots Boeing 747 Into Pentagon, Caught on Film.”
For the logic of physical evidence as a disinformation tool, see Mike Ruppert, “The Kennedys, Physical Evidence, and 9/11,” FTW, November 26, 2003.
For a deconstruction of the State Department’s masterful use of this same tool, see Mark Robinowitz, “‘Identifying Misinformation’: The State Department’s Rosetta Stone for understanding 9/11 disinformation promotes 9/11 conspiracy hoaxes while ignoring Crossing the Rubicon and other authentic investigations,” FTW, December 27, 2005.
The most complete, rigorous, and elegant history of the “no plane” story is found at Robinowitz’ own website, here: http://www.oilempire.us/bogus.html
Pentagon Releases 9/11 Crash Video
by Robert BurnsAssociated PressWashingtonTuesday, May 16, 2006http://tinyurl.com/ztqvu
In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes.
The Pentagon on Tuesday released the first video images of American Airlines Flight 77 crashing into the military headquarters building and killing 189 people in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
The images, recorded by Pentagon security cameras outside the building, were made public in response to a December 2004 Freedom of Information Act request by Judicial Watch, a public interest group. Some still images from the video had previously been leaked and publicly circulated, but this was the first official release.
The airplane is a thin white blur on the video as it slams into the Pentagon at ground level. Almost instantly a white flash and a huge orange fireball appear on the video, followed by a tower of gray-black smoke. One of the videos shows a Pentagon police car driving in the direction of the impact point shortly after the plane hit.
Traveling at an estimated 530 mph, the hijacked plane plowed into the southwest side of the Pentagon at 9:38 a.m. EDT, shortly after two other hijacked airlines were flown into the twin towers at the World Trade Center in New York. The attack set off fires in a portion of the Pentagon and killed 125 people inside, in addition to the 59 passengers and crew and the five men who hijacked the plane after it took off from nearby Dulles International Airport.
Debra Burlingame, whose brother Charles was the pilot of the American Airlines plane, said in a telephone interview that she realized Pentagon officials were compelled to release the videos under the Freedom of Information Act. But she said the images provide no new information about what happened that day. Ms. Burlingame said she doubted that release of the videos would do anything to dispel the many conspiracy theories, including the claim by some that the Pentagon was hit by a missile. The Pentagon videos provide only the briefest glimpse of the plane as it hits the building; the images were recorded on cameras designed to record license plates of vehicles entering the Pentagon grounds and were too slow to capture the airplane's approach.
The Pentagon had previously refused to release the videos, saying they had been provided to the Justice Department as evidence in any criminal proceedings.
"We fought hard to obtain this video because we felt that it was very important to complete the public record with respect to the terrorist attacks of September 11," said Tom Fitton, president of Judicial Watch.
Cheryl Irwin, a Pentagon spokeswoman, said families of the victims of the Pentagon attack were not consulted before the videos were released on the Pentagon's Web site.
http://usacamps.blogspot.com/2004/10/omaha-ark_109742471556836143.html
http://finance.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/OzarksRail/spshow/5a76
IT’S THE TIMING, NOT THE FILM:
New Frames from Pentagon Crash Video Show Langley Embarrassing the 9/11 Truth Movement
byJamey Hecht, Ph.D.Senior Staff Writer
© Copyright 2006, From The Wilderness Publications, http://www.fromthewilderness.com/. All Rights Reserved. May be reprinted, distributed or posted on an Internet web site for non-profit purposes only.
May 19, 2006 1000 PST – (FTW) – LOS ANGELES - Today the Pentagon released a few more frames of video from a surveillance camera that recorded the explosion at the Pentagon on 9/11. The alleged rationale for their timing has to do with the Moussaoui trial; showing the video any earlier supposedly would have compromised the proceedings (somehow), but now that he’s been through the system, the frames can be shown. The shorter edit we’ve all been watching for five years does not include these new frames at the beginning, which show the Boeing 757.
Or they show an indistinct length of white that instantly disappears into the blooming fireball.
Or they show the contrail of a rocket-propelled missile.
Or they show an artificially interpolated streak of white pixels.
Or they show Superman running at lightning speed.
What matters is the propaganda value of releasing this particular document at this particular time. At FTW we feel vindicated. Like John Judge and Mark Robinowitz, we realized very early that the question of Flight 77 would cost everyone more than it was worth. As for what hit the Pentagon, I reckon it was AA77 (I used to think otherwise), but I don’t want to add a line to the impassioned terabytes that have been written on this issue. What’s crucial, from our perspective, is what happens to the legal case for means, motive, and opportunity that Mike Ruppert was the first to construct in Crossing the Rubicon: The Decline of the American Empire at the End of the Age of Oil. That is the moral heart of the mass murders of 9/11: specific individuals had the means, motive, and opportunity to achieve the horrors in question, and there is more than enough non-physical evidence to convict them in an impartial court. The physical evidence is a snake-pit, no matter what the truth is. Who controls the physical evidence? The scrap metal from the WTC, the black boxes, the debris? Who controls the release or retention of surveillance videotapes? The war machine and its fractious minions at Langley.
Arguing about the physical evidence not only divides and exhausts the truth movement, it also links the very question of 9/11 truth to the most vulnerable hypotheses suggested in answer. Why? Because in our War McNews culture, the public’s attention is caught by the more shocking, more absurd, more simplistic stories—no plane hit the Pentagon, no planes hit the towers, holograms, pods, King Kong—whereas only a few literate men and women will take the time to read a lengthy investigation of exactly who did what and when. Now that five years have elapsed, and the very idea of government complicity is popularly associated with the “no-plane” hypothesis, PRESTO! Here are the missing frames of film to confirm that there was no government complicity. It doesn’t matter what the frames actually show. What matters is the talk at the water cooler: “Lee Harvey Oswald Acts Alone, Pilots Boeing 747 Into Pentagon, Caught on Film.”
For the logic of physical evidence as a disinformation tool, see Mike Ruppert, “The Kennedys, Physical Evidence, and 9/11,” FTW, November 26, 2003.
For a deconstruction of the State Department’s masterful use of this same tool, see Mark Robinowitz, “‘Identifying Misinformation’: The State Department’s Rosetta Stone for understanding 9/11 disinformation promotes 9/11 conspiracy hoaxes while ignoring Crossing the Rubicon and other authentic investigations,” FTW, December 27, 2005.
The most complete, rigorous, and elegant history of the “no plane” story is found at Robinowitz’ own website, here: http://www.oilempire.us/bogus.html
Pentagon Releases 9/11 Crash Video
by Robert BurnsAssociated PressWashingtonTuesday, May 16, 2006http://tinyurl.com/ztqvu
In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes.
The Pentagon on Tuesday released the first video images of American Airlines Flight 77 crashing into the military headquarters building and killing 189 people in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
The images, recorded by Pentagon security cameras outside the building, were made public in response to a December 2004 Freedom of Information Act request by Judicial Watch, a public interest group. Some still images from the video had previously been leaked and publicly circulated, but this was the first official release.
The airplane is a thin white blur on the video as it slams into the Pentagon at ground level. Almost instantly a white flash and a huge orange fireball appear on the video, followed by a tower of gray-black smoke. One of the videos shows a Pentagon police car driving in the direction of the impact point shortly after the plane hit.
Traveling at an estimated 530 mph, the hijacked plane plowed into the southwest side of the Pentagon at 9:38 a.m. EDT, shortly after two other hijacked airlines were flown into the twin towers at the World Trade Center in New York. The attack set off fires in a portion of the Pentagon and killed 125 people inside, in addition to the 59 passengers and crew and the five men who hijacked the plane after it took off from nearby Dulles International Airport.
Debra Burlingame, whose brother Charles was the pilot of the American Airlines plane, said in a telephone interview that she realized Pentagon officials were compelled to release the videos under the Freedom of Information Act. But she said the images provide no new information about what happened that day. Ms. Burlingame said she doubted that release of the videos would do anything to dispel the many conspiracy theories, including the claim by some that the Pentagon was hit by a missile. The Pentagon videos provide only the briefest glimpse of the plane as it hits the building; the images were recorded on cameras designed to record license plates of vehicles entering the Pentagon grounds and were too slow to capture the airplane's approach.
The Pentagon had previously refused to release the videos, saying they had been provided to the Justice Department as evidence in any criminal proceedings.
"We fought hard to obtain this video because we felt that it was very important to complete the public record with respect to the terrorist attacks of September 11," said Tom Fitton, president of Judicial Watch.
Cheryl Irwin, a Pentagon spokeswoman, said families of the victims of the Pentagon attack were not consulted before the videos were released on the Pentagon's Web site.
http://usacamps.blogspot.com/2004/10/omaha-ark_109742471556836143.html
http://finance.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/OzarksRail/spshow/5a76
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Bank of America' Safe Deposit Boxes & Homeland Insecurity-A New Chapter in the 'War on Terrorism'
by notepad http://educate-yourself.org/cn/safedepositboxesandhomelandinsercuirty22jan06.shtmlJanuary 22, 2006http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=10012Original titleHomeland Security To Confiscate Bank Safe Deposit Box Contents
While all the other points I mentioned in a previous post are fairly well documented and discussed elsewhere on the Internet, the bank information I reported is not. This information is from my own experience and research. I discovered the disturbing news quite by accident - and by virtue of its importance, I decided to post my findings here and on a few other forums.
What did I hear?
A family member from Irvine, CA (who’s a branch manager at Bank of America) told us two weeks ago that her bank held a "workshop" where the last two days were dedicated to discussing their bank’s new security measures. During these last two days, the workshop included members from the Homeland Security Office who instructed them on how to field calls from customers and what they are to tell them in the event of a national disaster. She said they were told how only agents from Homeland Security (during such an event) would be in charge of opening safe deposit boxes and determining what items would be given to bank customers.
At this point they were told that no weapons, cash, gold, or silver will be allowed to leave the bank - only various paperwork will be given to its owners. After discussing the matter with them at length, she and the other employees were then told not to discuss the subject with anyone.
The family member has since given her notice to quit the bank.
I found the news alarming and decided to find out more myself. On a trip to my bank here in Houston, I remarked to a young bank employee (who’s new there), "well I guess you’ve been told all that stuff by the manager and the Homeland Security about what to tell your customers" - and to my amazement, the young woman came right out and said yes she’d been through all that, then whispered to me across the counter, "but we’re not supposed to talk about - I could lose my job."
Why haven’t you heard more about this?
First of all, since maybe only banks’ upper management is privy to the new "rules", the information doesn’t trickle down so easily.
Also keep in mind that employees have been told NOT to say anything about this, that it’s a matter of National Security (with an allusion toward arrest if they do). They face possibly losing their job too. Another reason is that bank employees may not think it’s important, or they believe they’re a unique part of the effort towards curtailing "terrorism" and helping America’s internal defenses.
It is also important to realize that not everyone’s a writer, or Internet savvy - even if the employees moved beyond their banks’ warnings & constraints, most people don’t know how to get their experience published on the Web in the public domain - it’s a mystery they are not familiar with so you never hear their story.
How to get the information yourself:
Visit your bank, ask a few well-worded questions, being careful not to arouse suspicion - if that doesn’t work, talk to friends and other family members - maybe they’ve heard something - or as a last resort, just point blank call the bank manager in private and demand to know what’s all this business with the Homeland Security deciding what I can have from my safe deposit box - tell me now or I’ll close my account today.
I’ll bet if you put forth the effort you’ll get the answers you want.
What should you do with this information?
I’m not trying to "scare" anyone - just providing some news I think is relevant to Americans. Each must find his way through this dark forest - you will do with this information what best suits you and your loved ones - me personally, I see this as another indicator of how the criminals in charge over our lives intend to fleece U.S. citizens completely then dispose of them as only refuse.
Be prepared.
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Bank of America' Safe Deposit Boxes & Homeland Insecurity-A New Chapter in the 'War on Terrorism'
by notepad http://educate-yourself.org/cn/safedepositboxesandhomelandinsercuirty22jan06.shtmlJanuary 22, 2006http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=10012Original titleHomeland Security To Confiscate Bank Safe Deposit Box Contents
While all the other points I mentioned in a previous post are fairly well documented and discussed elsewhere on the Internet, the bank information I reported is not. This information is from my own experience and research. I discovered the disturbing news quite by accident - and by virtue of its importance, I decided to post my findings here and on a few other forums.
What did I hear?
A family member from Irvine, CA (who’s a branch manager at Bank of America) told us two weeks ago that her bank held a "workshop" where the last two days were dedicated to discussing their bank’s new security measures. During these last two days, the workshop included members from the Homeland Security Office who instructed them on how to field calls from customers and what they are to tell them in the event of a national disaster. She said they were told how only agents from Homeland Security (during such an event) would be in charge of opening safe deposit boxes and determining what items would be given to bank customers.
At this point they were told that no weapons, cash, gold, or silver will be allowed to leave the bank - only various paperwork will be given to its owners. After discussing the matter with them at length, she and the other employees were then told not to discuss the subject with anyone.
The family member has since given her notice to quit the bank.
I found the news alarming and decided to find out more myself. On a trip to my bank here in Houston, I remarked to a young bank employee (who’s new there), "well I guess you’ve been told all that stuff by the manager and the Homeland Security about what to tell your customers" - and to my amazement, the young woman came right out and said yes she’d been through all that, then whispered to me across the counter, "but we’re not supposed to talk about - I could lose my job."
Why haven’t you heard more about this?
First of all, since maybe only banks’ upper management is privy to the new "rules", the information doesn’t trickle down so easily.
Also keep in mind that employees have been told NOT to say anything about this, that it’s a matter of National Security (with an allusion toward arrest if they do). They face possibly losing their job too. Another reason is that bank employees may not think it’s important, or they believe they’re a unique part of the effort towards curtailing "terrorism" and helping America’s internal defenses.
It is also important to realize that not everyone’s a writer, or Internet savvy - even if the employees moved beyond their banks’ warnings & constraints, most people don’t know how to get their experience published on the Web in the public domain - it’s a mystery they are not familiar with so you never hear their story.
How to get the information yourself:
Visit your bank, ask a few well-worded questions, being careful not to arouse suspicion - if that doesn’t work, talk to friends and other family members - maybe they’ve heard something - or as a last resort, just point blank call the bank manager in private and demand to know what’s all this business with the Homeland Security deciding what I can have from my safe deposit box - tell me now or I’ll close my account today.
I’ll bet if you put forth the effort you’ll get the answers you want.
What should you do with this information?
I’m not trying to "scare" anyone - just providing some news I think is relevant to Americans. Each must find his way through this dark forest - you will do with this information what best suits you and your loved ones - me personally, I see this as another indicator of how the criminals in charge over our lives intend to fleece U.S. citizens completely then dispose of them as only refuse.
Be prepared.
# # #
Free Newsletter
Email Address:
Join the Educate-Yourself Discussion Forum
All information posted on this web site is the opinion of the author and is provided for educational purposes only. It is not to be construed as medical advice. Only a licensed medical doctor can legally offer medical advice in the United States. Consult the healer of your choice for medical care and advice.
Search this website:
Current News Introduction Colloidal Silver Chemtrails Sylphs Emerging Diseases Forbidden Cures Ozone Immunity Boosting Nutrition Mind-Body Connection Ozone Bioelectrification Story on Drugs Vaccine Dangers Cancer Newsletter New World Order NWO News Pam SchuffertPhil Schneider Al Bielek Trevor James Constable Mind Control Brice Taylor Ted Gunderson The Relfes Free Energy Matthew Ward Kanya V. McGhee The CIA Montalk T. Lobsang Rampa Ruth Drown ZS Livingstone Red Elk Phil Ledoux Gary Wade BBB The Draft Veterans Awaken Planet X SequelTone Gen Membership Discussion Dowsing Police & Tasers Rev. Sun Myung Moon British Israel & The End Times Amy Goodman Gatekeeper'Peak Oil' Google & Big Brother Military Draft Rosie's Predictions Project Blue Beam Dr. Robert H. Bitzer Insights on Aliens Cell Towers HopeAdrenal Burnout The Women Warriors Orgone Adventures Cloak & Dagger Board Dr. John Coleman Railroading Dr. Jeffrey R. MacDonald Nine Commentaries on China Metal Free Dentistry Truth about FED Reserve Dr. Hulda Clark Books Stamp Out Supplements! 'Undocumented Immigrants'Letters Tavistock Institute U.S. Concentration Camps FEMA Aliens Are Coming! Guiding Principles Global Warming Gang Stalking Monoatomic GoldProducts Orgone Generators The Succor Punch Home Links Contact Us/ E-mail Healing Thougth Forms Depleted Uranium Hydrogen Peroxide
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FEMA camps, martial law and indefinite detention without trial
"The President has the power to seize property, organize and control the means of production, seize commodities, assign military forces abroad, call reserve forces amounting to 2 1/2 million men to duty, institute martial law, seize and control all menas of transportation, regulate all private enterprise, restrict travel, and in a plethora of particular ways, control the lives of all Americans..."Most [of these laws] remain a a potential source of virtually unlimited power for a President should he choose to activate them. It is possible that some future President could exercise this vast authority in an attempt to place the United States under authoritarian rule."While the danger of a dictatorship arising through legal means may seem remote to us today, recent history records Hitler seizing control through the use of the emergency powers provisions contained in the laws of the Weimar Republic."-- Joint Statement, Sens. Frank Church (D-ID) and Charles McMathias (R-MD) September 30, 1973 http://www.politechbot.com/p-00106.html
General Ralph Eberhart, who was in charge of air defense on 9-11, was the first commander of "Northern Command," the domestic unified military command established in October 2002. If the domestic use of the U.S. military escalates into full-scale martial law, the Northern Command would essentially manage it. If 9/11 had been an "intelligence failure," it is likely that General Eberhart would have been court-martialed instead of promoted.
Tom Ridge's Mea Culpa:The Code Orange Terror Alerts were based on Fake Intelligenceby Michel Chossudovskywww.globalresearch.ca 12 May 2005The URL of this article is: http://globalresearch.ca/articles/505A.html
Secret Police Concentration Camps www.hermes-press.com/gonzalez5.htmIn a revealing admission in June, 1997, the Director of Resource Management for the U.S. Army confirmed the validity of a memorandum relating to the establishment of a civilian inmate labor program under development by the Department of the Army. The document states, "Enclosed for your review and comment is the draft Army regulation on civilian inmate labor utilization" and the procedure to "establish civilian prison camps on installations."Amid widespread rumors, Congressman Henry Gonzales clarified the question of the existence of civilian detention camps. In an interview, Gonzalez stated, "The truth is yes -- you do have these stand by provisions, and the plans are here...whereby you could, in the name of stopping terrorism...evoke the military and arrest Americans and put them in detention camps."
http://news.pacificnews.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=eed74d9d44c30493706fe03f4c9b3a77
Homeland Security Contracts for Vast New Detention CampsNews Analysis/Commentary, Peter Dale Scott,New America Media, Jan 31, 2006
Editor's Note: A little-known $385 million contract for Halliburton subsidiary KBR to build detention facilities for "an emergency influx of immigrants" is another step down the Bush administration's road toward martial law, the writer says.
BERKELEY, Calif.--A Halliburton subsidiary has just received a $385 million contract from the Department of Homeland Security to provide "temporary detention and processing capabilities."
The contract -- announced Jan. 24 by the engineering and construction firm KBR -- calls for preparing for "an emergency influx of immigrants, or to support the rapid development of new programs" in the event of other emergencies, such as "a natural disaster." The release offered no details about where Halliburton was to build these facilities, or when.
Iranian - Americans protest Ashkroft round-up (Los Angeles, CA)
Color Wheel of Fascismhttp://www.falloutshelternews.com/ColorWheelFascism.htmla handy guide to terror alerts
Bush civil rights commissioner warns of detention campshttp://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/jul2002/kirs-j26.shtml
www.cryptome.org/garden-plot.htm martial law plans are not new ("Homeland Security" is a term coined toward the end of the Clinton administration)
New Jersey says "red alert" means entire state must stay home --MARTIAL LAW -- STATE OF SIEGE
http://www.southjerseynews.com/issues/march/m031603e.htmRed alert? Stay home, await wordSunday, March 16, 2003By TOM BALDWINGannett State Bureau TRENTON
If the nation escalates to "red alert," which is the highest in the color-coded readiness against terror, you will be assumed by authorities to be the enemy if you so much as venture outside your home, the state's anti-terror czar says."This state is on top of it," said Sid Caspersen, New Jersey's director of the office of counter-terrorism.Caspersen, a former FBI agent, was briefing reporters, alongside Gov. James E. McGreevey, on Thursday, when for the first time he disclosed the realities of how a red alert would shut the state down.A red alert would also tear away virtually all personal freedoms to move about and associate."Red means all noncritical functions cease," Caspersen said. "Noncritical would be almost all businesses, except health-related."A red alert means there is a severe risk of terrorist attack, according to federal guidelines from the Department of Homeland Security."The state will restrict transportation and access to critical locations," says the state's new brochure on dealing with terrorism."You must adhere to the restrictions announced by authorities and prepare to evacuate, if instructed. Stay alert for emergency messages."Caspersen went further than the brochure. "The government agencies would run at a very low threshold," he said."The state police and the emergency management people would take control over the highways."You literally are staying home, is what happens, unless you are required to be out. No different than if you had a state of emergency with a snowstorm."
www.post-gazette.com/nation/20030330codered0330p6.aspCode Red would trigger a virtual lockdownTop terror alert could shut landmarks, ground planes, stop trains or trigger roadblocksSunday, March 30, 2003By Michael Collins, Scripps Howard News Service
WASHINGTON -- National landmarks such as the Washington Monument, Ellis Island and the Gateway Arch in St. Louis could be shut down.Planes could be grounded, trains could stop running, and bridges and tunnels could be closed. U.S. borders might be sealed off, and roadblocks might be set up on interstates and other major highways.The United States is prepared to go into lockdown mode if the government should raise the nation's terror alert to Code Red, the highest threat level for terrorism. Code Red means there is a severe risk of terrorist attack, or that an attack is imminent or may already be under way."It essentially means you stop doing everything except protecting yourself," said Dave McIntyre, deputy director of the Anser Institute for Homeland Security, a nonprofit research group in Arlington, Va.Homeland security officials have put Americans on notice to brace for the possibility of terrorist attacks while the country is at war with Iraq. The threat level was raised to orange, the second highest, just two days before the war began March 19."There are no plans, nor have their been any discussions, about elevating the threat level to Code Red," said Gordon Johndroe, spokesman for the Department of Homeland Security.To trigger such an alert, U.S. intelligence would have to be "very specific, credible, corroborated [and] provide us with information such as time, date, location" of a possible attack, Johndroe said.Still, federal, state and local officials across the country are going over emergency plans to be prepared in the event that the terror level should be raised to red.Homeland security officials have been vague about what protective measures might be taken under Code Red.But Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge has said such measures might be similar to those put in place Sept. 11, 2001, which means planes could be grounded, borders closed, government buildings shut down and road and rail traffic curtailed.The specific response would depend on the nature of the threat.It's doubtful that the entire country would be placed under a Code Red alert, McIntyre said. A more realistic scenario is that a red alert would result from a specific threat to a particular region or industry.If, for example, there were a terrorist threat against the trucking industry in the Southeast, truck traffic might be temporarily halted in that region but be allowed to continue elsewhere, McIntyre said.Code Red wouldn't mean automatic closure of the Washington Monument and other national landmarks. But superintendents at national parks have been advised that shutting down the facilities is an option at their discretion, said David Barna, a spokesman for the National Park Service.Security was tightened at eight high-profile landmarks, including the Washington Monument, the Liberty Bell pavilion and the Statue of Liberty, after Sept. 11 because they are symbols of democracy and are thus potential terrorist targets, Barna said.Visitors at those landmarks now face airport-security type measures, such as metal detectors, bag searches and checks for explosive devices. Patrols also have been stepped up since the terror alert was raised to orange.But Barna said the landmarks would remain open if possible because they are places of solace that should be available to the public in times of war.A Code Red alert also serves as an advisory to state and local officials, who then must decide whether to put in place protective measures. Emergency plans will vary with each community, but might include calling up the National Guard, closing government buildings and shutting down key roads and bridges.Some schools have plans to lock down their facilities during Code Red and already have begun advising parents not to rush to pick up their children.Residents would be advised to stay away from gathering places, such as sporting events, and listen to the radio or television for instructions. They should be prepared to leave if necessary, but should remain in their homes or offices until they are instructed to leave, McIntyre said."The worst thing you can do is to flee without reason," which could create gridlock on the streets and keep emergency vehicles from getting through, he said.Emergency measures taken under Code Red would be expensive and aren't intended to remain in effect for extended periods, McIntyre said
www.presstelegram.com/Stories/0,1413,204~21474~1251515,00.htmlWASHINGTON Should war with Iraq erupt, Southern Californians could find themselves living in a world of restricted travel, constrained trade, closed schools and public buildings, canceled events and hypersecurity.
your tax dollars at work
Grand Central Station, New York City, February 2003martial law has already begun
Concentration Camps for Citizens - Ashcroft's Hellish Visionhttp://www.latimes.com/la-oe-turley14aug14.storywww.commondreams.org/views02/0814-05.htm
www.counterpunch.com/shivani0807.html 21st century police statewww.counterpunch.com/shivani0813.html "What's next, concentration camps?"www.counterpunch.org/valentine0824.html Operation Phoenix and Homeland (in)Security
Phoenix program (vietnam war assassination program) vet runs part of Homeland Security agencywww.counterpunch.com/homeland1.html - more on Operation Phoenix - the model for Homeland inSecurity
Guantanamo - 'A Live Experiment In Long-Term Interrogation' Meanwhile 4,000 Miles Away In Guantanamo Bay, 660 Prisoners Have No Idea When They Will Be FreedBy Andrew Buncombe The Independent - UK11-19-2003
Indefinite Detention
There is a long list of outrages to our democratic rights in recent years - the "legalization" of indefinite detention on the mere assertion of the president may be one of the most troubling yet.
Associated Press [US]January 8th, 2003
WASHINGTON - A federal appeals court ruled Wednesday that the government can hold U.S. citizens as enemy combatants during wartime without the constitutional protections afforded Americans in criminal prosecutions.In overturning a lower court ruling, the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Richmond, Va., said the status of 21-year-old Yaser Esam Hamdi as a citizen did not change the fact he was captured in Afghanistan while fighting alongside Taliban and al-Qaida fighters."Judicial review does not disappear during wartime, but the review of battlefield captures in overseas conflicts is a highly deferential one" to the government, the judges wrote.Attorney General John Ashcroft hailed the decision, calling it "an important victory for the president's ability to protect the American people in times of war.""Detention of enemy combatants prevents them from rejoining the enemy and continuing to fight against America and its allies, and has long been upheld by our nation's courts, regardless of the citizenship of the enemy combatant," Ashcroft said in a statement.Hamdi was captured in Afghanistan in November 2001 after a prison uprising by suspected Taliban and al-Qaida members. He was transported along with hundreds of other alleged enemy soldiers to a prison at the U.S. Navy base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.It was discovered Hamdi had been born in Louisiana to Saudi parents, who later returned with their son to Saudi Arabia.He has been held in a naval brig in Norfolk, Va., since April.Hamdi's case is seen by some as a major legal test case to determine the government's ability to hold citizens without access to a lawyer or the courts. If Hamdi can be imprisoned in a military jail with few of the constitutional protections afforded Americans facing criminal prosecution, critics say, then other U.S. citizens could be similarly held.A federal judge in Norfolk, Va., agreed, ruling in August that Hamdi should at least have a right to a lawyer and a chance to see the government's evidence against him.The circuit court agreed that the case raises serious questions about the rights of citizens but concluded that, in wartime, the government's authority is supreme in deciding who may be held indefinitely.Hamdi, the judges said, was "squarely within the zone of active combat" when captured and is being lawfully detained. The courts, they added, have only limited authority to intervene in such national security matters."Any effort to ascertain the facts concerning the petitioner's conduct while amongst the nation's enemies would entail an unacceptable risk of obstructing war efforts authorized by Congress and undertaken by the executive branch," the 54-page opinion said.http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=533& e=3&cid=533&u=/ap/20030108/ap_on_go_ot/ afghan_american_prisoners
US prisoners from Afghanistan being flown to the Guantanamo Bay concentration camp (built by Halliburton corporation, Dick Cheney's company)photos leaked to the Art Bell shownote the total sensory deprivation (goggles, nose and mouth muzzle, ear muffs and lack of provisions for bathroom functions (each prisoner has a towel under them to soak up urine)
Hi,The following is a press release for the press conference organized insupport of Cpt. James Yee by Cecilia Chang of Justice for NewAmericans here in San Francisco. This is the statement I will make onbehalf of the National Lawyers Guild Military Law Task Force.Marti HikenMilitary Law Task ForceNational Lawyers Guild318 Ortega StreetSan Francisco, CA 94122415-566-3732 * fax: 415-564-1945Contact: Marti Hiken, co-chair MLTFmlhiken@pacbell.netNovember 12, 3003
My name is Marti Hiken. I'm co-chair of the NLG MLTF.Cpt. Yousef (James) Lee was stationed at The U.S. Naval BaseGuantanamo -- a 45 square mile piece of land on the southeastern sideof Cuba. There is a 17.4 mile fence, guarded by 120 Marines,separating the base from Cuba. He was one of about 3500 troops,sailors, Coast Guard and intelligence agents on the base working atthe Navy airstrip and harbor, and the prison.The U.S. Southern Command established The Joint Task Force- Guantanamoto command the base. It states that its mission is to support detaineeoperation activities at the Holding Facility for Al Qaeda, Taliban orother terrorist personnel that come under US control as a result ofthe ongoing War on Terrorism, and also to serve as the Department ofDefense's focal point for interrogation operations in support ofOperation Enduring Freedom.Camp Delta, Guantanamo is a concentration camp. Except for Auschwitz'smass slaughter of its prisoners, Guantanamo is run no differently fromManzanar or the German equivalents during WWII. Like Auschwitz,Guantanamo is housed on foreign soil but controlled by the invadingcountry.Cpt. Yousef Lee was one of the few who had contact with the prisonersat this concentration camp.The US government has systematically denied the human rights of those660 imprisoned there. Some of them are teenagers, some are older than80 years old. Attempted suicides, torture and the development of newtorture and control techniques is occurring in the name of theAmerican people.The government is step-by-step eliminating all contact from anyonehaving contact with the prisoners. The Lynn Stewart case is anindication that this government will attempt to disbar any attorneywho provides defense and support to the "terrorist" clients.After lawyers, who else would have access to the prisoners that thegovernment would eliminate? Chaplains. Thus, Chaplain Yee is arrestedand confined.Who is next next in line? Translators. Ahmad Al-Halabi and Ahmed FathyMehalba. Both currently confined in military brigs. They also had theopportunity to meet solo with some of the prisoners.The Camp Delta prisoners are held incommunicado, no charges, nocounsel. By excluding attorneys, chaplains, translators, the media,and human rights organizations, the prisoners are left to theinterrogators and prison guards.As with any concentration camp, ultimately the fact that it existswill come back to haunt us as a people. Yee should be set freeimmediately -- Camp Delta should be shut down and the entire base atGuantanamo returned to the Cuban people.
Previous Plans for Martial LawVietnam War Protests, Iran-ContraIgnored by American Society, Now the Plans Have Metastasized
from www.prorev.com/fema.htmIn a July 1983 series in the San Francisco Examiner, two-time Pulitzer Prize winner Knut Royce reported that a presidential directive had been drafted by a few Carter administration personnel in 1979 to allow the military to take control of the government for 90 days in the event of an emergency. A caveat on page one of the directive said, "Keeping the government functioning after a nuclear war is a secret, costly project that detractors claim jeopardizes US traditions and saves a privileged few." According to Royce there was a heated debate within the Carter administration as to just what constituted an "emergency."The issue arose again during the Iran-Contra affair, but even in the wake of all the copy on that scandal, the public got little sense of how far some America's soldiers of fortune were willing to go to achieve their ends. When the Iran-Contra hearings came close to the matter, chair Senator Inouye backed swiftly away. Here is an excerpt from those hearings. Oliver North is at the witness table:
REP BROOKS: Colonel North, in your work at the NSC, were you not assigned, at one time, to work on plans for the continuity of government in the event of a major disaster?BRENDAN SULLIVAN: Mr. Chairman?SEN INOUYE: I believe that question touches upon a highly sensitive and classified area so may I request that you not touch on that.REP BROOKS: I was particularly concerned, Mr. Chairman, because I read in Miami papers, and several others, that there had been a plan developed by that same agency, a contingency plan in the event of emergency, that would suspend the American constitution. And I was deeply concerned about it and wondered if that was the area in which he had worked. I believe that it was and I wanted to get his confirmation.SEN INOUYE; May I most respectfully request that that matter not be touched upon at this stage. If we wish to get into this, I'm certain arrangements can be made for an executive session
With few exceptions, the media ignored what well could be the most startling revelation to have come out of the Iran/Contra affair, namely that high officials of the US government were planning a possible military/civilian coup. First among the exceptions was the Miami Herald, which on July 5, 1987, ran the story to which Jack Brooks referred. The article, by Alfonzo Chardy, revealed Oliver North's involvement in plans for the Federal Emergency Management Agency to take over federal, state and local functions during an ill-defined national emergency.The Constitution does not directly address the question of what should happen in the midst of a major national catastrophe. But neither does it give the slightest support to notions of turning matters over to non-elected civilian or military officials with plenary powers. The best guide is to be found in Amendment Ten which states that the powers of the federal government are those delegated to it by the states and the people. The states and the people have not delegated the power of martial law. Thus in a true crisis (such as a nuclear attack) the answer seems quite plain: the country would be run as a loose confederation of fifty states until a legitimate federal government could be re-established. In the interim, the highest constitutional officials in the land would be the governors.
note: the Federal Emergency Managment Agency is one of the core components of the new Department of Homeland Security.
Bringing the War Homeby Ron Ridenhour with Arthur LubowFrom New Times, 28 November 1975, Vol.5, No.11, pp. 18, 20-24.The Pentagon is training police and guardsmen to help the army crush any revolt in the streets of America. It's part of a detailed secret plan that could end up crushing our liberties.www.namebase.org/ppost14.html
http://www.rightwingslayer.blogspot.comFrom 1982-84 Colonel Oliver North assisted FEMA in drafting its civildefence preparations. Details of these plans emerged during the 1987Iran-Contra scandal.They included executive orders providing forsuspension of the constitution, the imposition of martial law,internment camps, and the turning over of government to the presidentand FEMA.A Miami Herald article on July 5, 1987, reported that the former FEMAdirector Louis Guiffrida's deputy, John Brinkerhoff, handled the martiallaw portion of the planning. The plan was said to be similar to one MrGiuffrida had developed earlier to combat "a national uprising by blackmilitants". It provided for the detention "of at least 21millionAmerican Negroes"' in "assembly centres or relocation camps".Recent pronouncements from the Bush Administration and national securityinitiatives put in place in the Reagan era could see internment campsand martial law in the United States.When president Ronald Reagan was considering invading Nicaragua heissued a series of executive orders that provided the Federal EmergencyManagement Agency (FEMA) with broad powers in the event of a "crisis"such as "violent and widespread internal dissent or national oppositionagainst a US military invasion abroad". They were never used. The plan, which was modeled after a plan thatReagan and Edwin Meese had developed in California to deal with blackactivists, anti-war protesters and members of the student Free SpeechMovement, involved the cooperation of a number of agencies, includingthe Immigration and Naturalization Service which took steps to establisha network of detention centers capable of holding thousands ofundocumented aliens. Foundations are in place for martial law in the UShttp://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/07/27/1027497418339.htmlOliver North's Private Networkhttp://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/FBI/Heart_North_CoverUp_BDF.html
www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/AOPof911p10.htmlDomestic Terrorism: General Ashcroft's"Enemy Citizens," Martial Law and Internment Camps
One of General Ashcroft's campaigns that has received a minimum of coverage in the press are efforts to set up detention and internment camps in the United States as part of preparations for the possibility of declaring martial law. This past summer, journalist Ritt Goldstein wrote two articles -- "Foundations are in place for martial law in the US" and "Internment Camps and Authoritarian US Fast Becoming Reality" [49] -- that detail how "democratic freedoms which have long defined American life are under seige." http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/martialLaw.html http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/internment.htmlThis goes back to President Jimmy Carter's creation of the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) through Executive Order 12148 in 1979. While FEMA's charter originally called for planning and training activities concerning "natural disasters, nuclear war, the possibility of enemy attack on U.S. territory, and incidents involving domestic civil unrest," it was with the advent of the Reagan era in 1981 that FEMA's scope was augmented to be a "national emergency" entity, headed by a federal "emergency czar".[50]"The birth of FEMA's dark side originated in secret during the Reagan administration. FEMA's domestic disaster management role was then broadened to allow it to practice for the imposition of martial law and the internment of so-called aliens and radicals. During this period, a joint exercise was held with the military to prepare for such a contingency, Rex-84. Concurrently, FEMA began assembling files on those whom the Agency might target. . . . The exercise's purpose was to test military capabilities in anticipation of `civil disturbances, major demonstrations', incidentally illustrating the evolution of civil defense into civil control." [51]After a period of abuse of power, culminating with the constitutional crisis later labeled Iran Contra (which was never fully revealed in public as vital moments during congressional hearings were conducted behind closed doors [52]), then Attorney General William French Smith concluded that activities FEMA had been involved in were openly unconstitutional including compiling dossiers on those it might seek to intern. "The FBI challenged FEMA's right to pursue domestic spying, resulting in FEMA's turning over `12,000 political dossiers' to the Bureau." [53]FEMA's involvement in martial law plans surfaced momentarily during the Iran Contra hearings. What was arguably the most important question of those hearings never got a public answer. In July 2002, Southwestern University School of Law Professor Butler Shaffer pondered the question, "Will a Police State Protect Your Liberty?":"It requires no great genius or years of scholarly study to understand how the future is implicit in the present. In July, 1987, the Miami Herald, along with some other newspapers, ran news stories about secret plans, in the Reagan White House, to suspend the Constitution, establish martial law, turn over the functioning of the US government to the Federal Emergency Management Agency, and have military commanders running state and local governments, in the event of a national crisis. One of the architects of this plan was the conservative godling, Lt. Col. Oliver North. There were even rumors, in some circles, that government concentration camps were being readied for such a possibility."While news of such a plan failed to arouse the attention of most legislators, there was one -- Congressman Jack Brooks of Texas -- who, during the Iran-Contra hearings then being conducted, sought to question North about such reports. Brooks was quickly cut off by the Committee chairman, Hawaii Senator Daniel Inouye. In the New York Times report of July 14, 1987, Inouye told Brooks: `that question touches upon a highly sensitive and classified area,' to which Brooks responded: `I read in Miami papers and several others that there had been a plan developed, by that same agency [NSC], a contingency plan in the event of emergency, that would suspend the American Constitution.' Inouye concluded: `May I most respectfully request that that matter not be touched upon, at this stage. If we wish to get into this, I'm certain arrangements can be made for an executive session.' In other words, Sen. Inouye was determined to live up to the pronunciation of his name: `in no way' are we going to let the public know what we have planned for them!" [54]It is not publically known what process and command structures of FEMA's past are deceased, dormant or active today. Goldstein cites an August 15th 2002 Los Angeles Times story recounting ``Ashcroft's announced desire to create "camps for US citizens he deems to be `enemy combatants'" [and that] Ashcroft aides "have indicated that a `high-level committee' will recommend which citizens are to be stripped of their constitutional rights and sent to Ashcroft's new camps"''.[55] This is described in conjunction with a July 15th NewsMax.com story that FEMA is pursuing a "crash effort" to build "sprawling temporary cities to handle millions".John Ashcroft resorts to euphemistic subterfuge when he pretends that he can simply rename a citizen of the U.S. as an "enemy combatant". With Ashcroft's penchant for portraying 9-11 as an act of war, he is now seeking to strip any American he wants to target of their constitutional rights and liberties by labeling them "enemy combatant". In terms of Americans, General Ashcroft should call such person's "enemy citizens" since such person is still protected by our constitutional system of law, even if Ashcroft would rather deny them their rights.Given General Ashcroft's zeal to create camps for U.S. citizens he deems to be "enemy combatants" (although FEMA's public claim is to handle millions of displaced persons in the event of a terrorist attack), it is not unreasonable to expect such camps will be employed to intern Americans. What would be Ashcroft's grounds for internment? Many people will go to the streets to challenge the brazen and continued aggrandizement of power in the hands of the Chief Executive and his officers if another alleged terrorist attack supplies them with more justification to identify and lock up enemy citizens.FEMA's activities during Reagan's terms included national training exercises in preparation for a suspension of the constitution in case of massive domestic political turmoil. The Department of Homeland Security intends to "build upon the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) as one of its key components." [56] Goldstein stresses that FEMA's 1980s downfall (of pursuing openly unconstitutional goals) "was a direct outgrowth of its pursuit of proactive methods, its attempt to legitimize the assumption of extraordinary powers under the very cloak of `counterterrorism'.""At present, the final contents and disposition of the Reagan security initiatives, part of a national crisis plan, remains beyond public knowledge. But given the `War On Terror's' scope, even if a formal crisis is not declared, speculation exists that a de facto drift into an effective deployment of FEMA's crisis powers could occur. And this February, the former FEMA executive, John Brinkerhoff, who reportedly drafted the martial law/internment portions of the national crisis plan, revealed it was `approved by Reagan, and actions were taken to implement it.'" [57]"A Miami Herald article on July 5, 1987, reported that the former FEMA director Louis Guiffrida's deputy, John Brinkerhoff, handled the martial law portion of the planning. The plan was said to be similar to one Mr Giuffrida had developed earlier to combat `a national uprising by black militants'. It provided for the detention `of at least 21 million American Negroes' in `assembly centres or relocation camps'." [58]General Ashcroft clearly is up to the task he believes he faces. Given last December's performance, when he aggressively bullied the Senate Judiciary Committee with extreme doublespeak such as "To those who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty, my message is this: your tactics only aid terrorists" and "terrorists are taught how to use America's freedoms as a weapon against us", it would be more accurate to charge the General with applying newspeak tactics to promote his idea of freedoms as a weapon against the people of this nation-state.It is not clear how far the General's zealotry will carry him and us. Nat Hentoff, writing on September 4th about "General Ashcroft's Detention Camps, Time to Call for His Resignation" notes the status of two American citizens, Yaser Esam Hamdi and Jose Padilla, currently "locked up in military brigs as `enemy combatants.'""In Hamdi's case, the government claims it can hold him for interrogation in a floating navy brig off Norfolk, Virginia, as long as it needs to. When Federal District Judge Robert Doumar asked the man from the Justice Department how long Hamdi is going to be locked up without charges, the government lawyer said he couldn't answer that question. The Bush administration claims the judiciary has no right to even interfere. . . ."Returning to General Ashcroft's plans for American enemy combatants, an August 8 New York Times editorial -- written before those plans were revealed -- said: `The Bush administration seems to believe, on no good legal authority, that if it calls citizens combatants in the war on terrorism, it can imprison them indefinitely and deprive them of lawyers. This defiance of the courts repudiates two centuries of constitutional law and undermines the very freedoms that President Bush says he is defending in the struggle against terrorism.'"Meanwhile, as the camps are being prepared, the braying Terry McAuliffe and the pack of Democratic presidential aspirants are campaigning on corporate crime, with no reference to the constitutional crimes being committed by Bush and Ashcroft. As Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis prophesied: "The greatest menace to freedom is an inert people." And an inert Democratic leadership." [59]As with the bedrock of law in the international arena, we are now witnessing the Bush II repudiation of two centuries of the domestic span of constitutional law undermining the basis of freedoms we presume to be cast in concrete and impermeable to the wiles of such aggrandizement of power. This nullification is being justified behind the all-encompassing façade of a holy "war" against, not a another national entity, but an ambiguous idea that means different things to different people. The supine leadership of Congress is in collusion with this renunciation of constitutional law proceeding apace, given that Congress is not exercising its constitutionally mandated powers of oversight over the Department of Justice.Last month Mr. Hentoff wrote about retired California Congressman Don Edwards as "the Congressman from the Constitution". On August 10th Edwards received the American Bar Association's Thurgood Marshall Award for his "unswerving devotion to the Constitution and its values throughout his career.""He served in the House from 1962 to 1995; for 23 years, Don was chair of the House Subcommittee on Civil and Constitutional Rights-which has oversight of the FBI. Himself a former FBI agent, Don set unprecedentedly high standards for containing the FBI within the bounds of the Constitution, very much including the Bill of Rights. . . ."In the 1970s, Edwards -- along with Senator Frank Church and his committee -- exposed the FBI's pervasive abuses of civil liberties in J. Edgar Hoover's Cointelpro (counter-intelligence program), which monitored, infiltrated, and disrupted entirely lawful civil rights and anti-war organizations."Edwards . . . worked with Gerald Ford's attorney general Edward Levi in formulating FBI investigative guidelines faithful to the Constitution. It is these guidelines that John Ashcroft has contemptuously discarded in order to allow the FBI to go back to the hunting fields of Cointelpro."Characteristically, Edwards, though respected even by his opponents in Congress, refused a repeated request that he join the Intelligence Committee. He said that the people's business should be done in public, and through his influence in the House he blocked various expansions of unreviewable intelligence-authorization powers."Recently, I asked Don Edwards what he thought of the Bush-Ashcroft conception of the Bill of Rights. `The Bill of Rights,' he said, `is under assault. For example, locking people up-citizens or noncitizens-without being charged and without access to a lawyer is wrong. Under our system of justice, you must have a lawyer if you're imprisoned."`Also,' he added vigorously, `Congress is not exercising its oversight powers over the Department of Justice, including the FBI. Committees should be hauling in Justice Department officials to justify what they're doing.'" [60]So far General Ashcroft and Bush II have felt justified in locking up two citizens of the United States without access to a lawyer and claiming the judiciary has no right to interfere. Aides to Ashcroft "have indicated that a `high-level committee' will recommend which citizens are to be stripped of their constitutional rights and sent to Ashcroft's new camps." We find ourselves living our own contemporary Scoundrel Time and must draw inspiration from Lillian Hellman and her accounts of how people stood up to and challenged the unconstitutional authority of an earlier pack of scoundrels: ruthless, ambitious politicians who engaged in their own assault on our constitutional laws and principles.
by Adam Cohen, New York Times [US]September 22nd, 2002rehnquist When America is at war, according to Chief Justice William Rehnquist, people have to get used to having less freedom.There is a limit to what courts will do to help those deprived of rights, he says, because judges have a natural "reluctance" to rule "against the government on an issue of national security during wartime." In fact, there is "some truth," he concludes, to the Latin maxim "inter arma silent leges" — in time of war, the law is silent.With all of the war talk today — the so-called war on terror and the prospect of a real one in Iraq — it may sound as if the chief justice is laying the groundwork for a drastic rollback in civil liberties. But these reflections come from a history book, "All the Laws but One: Civil Liberties in Wartime," that he wrote four years ago. When it came out, "All the Laws but One" seemed like an academic exercise. But with several major terrorism cases headed to the Supreme Court, court watchers are starting to pick it up as a possible guidebook.If Mr. Rehnquist the jurist sees the world as Mr. Rehnquist the historian does, there is cause for concern.The Supreme Court term that begins next month could prove momentous. It will be the justices' first chance to rule on the impact on civil liberties from the Sept. 11 attacks and their aftermath. The court could resolve several key questions: whether American citizens can be held indefinitely without access to lawyers simply because they have been labeled "enemy combatants," whether terrorism suspects can be held in secret detention and whether their deportation hearings can be closed to the public."All the Laws but One," which discusses civil liberties during the Civil War and World Wars I and II, does not answer those questions. But its central message is that in wartime, the balance between order and freedom tips toward order. In recounting the history, Justice Rehnquist gives all the arguments for order, and far too few for freedom. The people whose liberties are taken away are virtually invisible.Justice Rehnquist's selective blindness is most evident in his discussion of the worst denial of civil liberties in American history, the internment of 120,000 people of Japanese ancestry at the start of World War II. He lavishes pages of detail on the military reasons for the roundup. Against that, he offers a single sentence about the hardship imposed on those put in the camps. His account is as dubious as it is brief: he writes that there was "no physical brutality," but historians report that some prisoners were beaten and shot.Justice Rehnquist endorses only part of the Japanese internments, but he seems far more accepting than many scholars who regard the entire episode as a disaster. It would be harder for the reader to accept his conclusions if he had included details about the men, women and children who were rounded up, and the economic, physical and emotional toll imposed on them.It is much the same with the book's discussion of President Abraham Lincoln's decision, during the Civil War, to suspend habeas corpus — the right of someone taken into custody to challenge his imprisonment before a judge. It offers considerable detail about the wartime problems confronting Lincoln, but only a vague sense of how many innocent people may have been kept in prison as a result. Justice Rehnquist readily accepts Lincoln's famous formulation: that if he had preserved habeas corpus, it would have meant allowing "all the laws, but one, to go unexecuted, and the government itself go to pieces, lest that one" — habeas corpus — "be violated." It is this quotation, of course, that gives the book its title.Justice Rehnquist's eagerness to see things from the viewpoint of those charged with keeping order — and his relative lack of concern about their victims — could have important implications for the cases the court hears this term. If the justices think only of terrorism and the threat to national security, they may be inclined to uphold whatever restrictions the Bush administration imposes. The more they actually consider the people being held in secret, or denied the right to see a lawyer, the more likely they are to appreciate the costs of those policies.Another problem with "All the Laws but One" is its contention that presidents cannot be reined in during wartime, so it is pointless to try. Justice Rehnquist quotes, with approval, Francis Biddle, President Franklin Roosevelt's attorney general, who said, "The Constitution has not greatly bothered any wartime president." The opposite case can be made. When President Harry Truman tried to seize the nation's steel mills during the Korean War — arguing that an impending strike threatened national security — he backed down when the Supreme Court objected. Other presidents would probably be just as compliant.But the most disturbing aspect of Justice Rehnquist's book is the lack of outrage, or even disappointment, he evinces when rights are sacrificed. The greatest American patriots have been eloquent about the danger of letting freedom lapse even briefly. Benjamin Franklin said, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." There are times when Justice Rehnquist sees the wisdom of standing up to wartime fervor — he is particularly good about the importance of freedom of speech and assembly. But too often, giving up essential liberty for temporary safety seems an easy call for him.Shortly after "All the Laws but One" came out, in an interview on C-Span, Justice Rehnquist was asked what he thought of writing books. "It's very nice," he responded, "to be able to write something you don't have to get four other people to agree with you [on] before it can become authoritative." This may be the term when we see which of these views he can get four justices to agree with him on. His colleagues should be cautious. If we keep sacrificing "one" law to save "all the laws," there will eventually be no laws left to save.http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/22/opinion/22SUN3.html
http://xymphora.blogspot.com/2002_08_01_xymphora_archive.htmlMore on AshKroft's Kamps:1. Apparently, some think that the original article on the camps has been completely debunked. The point is that there are at most 20 prison cells in question, and that fact, while unfortunate, is not enough to get upset about. The camps issue is thought to be a red herring, and the real issue is still the indefinite detention of 'enemy combatants', especially when the determination of whether one is an 'enemy combatant' is made solely by the Bush Administration. It seems to me that this is true, but it is also important not to forget the issue of the camps. The actual physical construction of the camps is irrelevant. FEMA (the agency that can predict the future) and no doubt other organizations already have suitable camps, constructed for legitimate and semi-legitimate reasons. Once the precedent is set using Padilla and Hamdi (it is possible that the Padilla case is worse than the Hamdi case), and the mechanism is set up to allow the Administration to process 'enemy combatants' in bulk (and anyone who followed the Eichmann trial knows how important the institutional mechanics of repression are to this type of person), it would therefore be easy to 'scale' the 20 cells into 200, 2000, or 20,000. The critical point is the fact that the precedent of Padilla and Hamdi has been set, and as hardly anyone complained about it, it can be used against anyone, even an American citizen arrested in the United States.2. The whole system being proposed by Ashcroft is actually the equivalent of pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps. His theory is that once he has determined that you are an 'enemy combatant', then all normal Constitutional protections immediately evaporate. However, presumably the protections can't evaporate before he makes that determination, i. e., in that legal millisecond before he makes his determination the courts still must be able to examine the Constitutional validity of the making of the determination, and in examining this, presumably have the right to consider all the facts of the case. The judge in the Hamdi case is alive to these issues. The whole 'enemy combatants' issue appears to be a rather transparent method to avoid human rights protections using the circular argument that the Constitution doesn't apply because it doesn't apply to 'enemy combatants', coupled with the dubious notion that you can become an 'enemy combatant' by your alleged involvement in the never-ending and ill-defined 'war on terror'.3. The most interesting questions about Padilla have never been asked. He was detained in early May, but his detention only came to light with Ashcroft's announcement in early June. Since the Administration felt absolutely no qualms about Padilla's detention, and almost didn't bother to mention it until it needed a big distraction from the Coleen Rowley testimony, the whole issue of how many other detainees like Jose Padilla there are remains completely open. The camps may already be full!4. Jonathan Turley, who seems to hold a monopoly in writing about these issues, points out that Ashcroft now wants to turbo-charge the secret court which interprets and enforces the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act to make its draconian powers apply to American citizens. This would presumably grant the government practically unlimited powers of investigation in order to obtain the information required to label the 'enemy combatants', as well as on anyone else the Administration would like to investigate without regard to that nasty Constitution (somewhere in hell, Richard Nixon must be laughing).5. There is an interesting pattern here in the Administration's use of the media. We constantly hear about 'leaks' from the Bush Administration, and sometimes (e. g., Rumsfeld) even hear complaints about the 'leaks'. The 'leaks' and general use of the media appear to be the work of a master manipulator (Rove?):
* the Padilla case was clearly set out for the American people, and the full implications of his treatment explained, allowing for his case to be used as a precedent for the indefinite detention without trial or legal representation for any American citizen labelled an 'enemy combatant';* the constant flow of warnings about imminent terror attacks, to continue the charade of the 'war on terror';* all the 'leaks' involving plans on Iraq, which may be a combination of trial balloons and misdirection, especially if the real goal of the Administration is also to capture Saudi oil fields;* all the obvious media manipulation concerning the anthrax attacks and Steven Hatfill, a patsy who is apparently to be used to distract public attention from the real issues of the case (with apparently another patsy in the wings to take over once the Hatfill investigation peters out).But hey, if you don't want to worry about the AshKroft Kamps, then don't worry about the AshKroft Kamps. As long as you're white and quiet and don't criticize the government, you'll probably be fine.
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restoring civil liberties would require exposing 9/11: the pretext for the war on freedom
war on freedom fascism Homeland Security USA PATRIOT Act Peak Liberties - resource conflicts Genocide Convention and Nuremberg Red Alert: FEMA camps, martial law detention without trial torture George Orwell - 1984 Terry Gilliam - BRAZIL rendition war on dissent - 1st amendment police state is here Homeland Secretary Michael Chertoff Intel Chief John Negroponte technological tyranny NSA surveillance Papers Please! National ID Biometrics Geoslavery: GPS tracking Radio Frequency ID (RFID) anthrax attacks on Democrats United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights
Red alert
FEMA camps, martial law and indefinite detention without trial
"The President has the power to seize property, organize and control the means of production, seize commodities, assign military forces abroad, call reserve forces amounting to 2 1/2 million men to duty, institute martial law, seize and control all menas of transportation, regulate all private enterprise, restrict travel, and in a plethora of particular ways, control the lives of all Americans..."Most [of these laws] remain a a potential source of virtually unlimited power for a President should he choose to activate them. It is possible that some future President could exercise this vast authority in an attempt to place the United States under authoritarian rule."While the danger of a dictatorship arising through legal means may seem remote to us today, recent history records Hitler seizing control through the use of the emergency powers provisions contained in the laws of the Weimar Republic."-- Joint Statement, Sens. Frank Church (D-ID) and Charles McMathias (R-MD) September 30, 1973 http://www.politechbot.com/p-00106.html
General Ralph Eberhart, who was in charge of air defense on 9-11, was the first commander of "Northern Command," the domestic unified military command established in October 2002. If the domestic use of the U.S. military escalates into full-scale martial law, the Northern Command would essentially manage it. If 9/11 had been an "intelligence failure," it is likely that General Eberhart would have been court-martialed instead of promoted.
Tom Ridge's Mea Culpa:The Code Orange Terror Alerts were based on Fake Intelligenceby Michel Chossudovskywww.globalresearch.ca 12 May 2005The URL of this article is: http://globalresearch.ca/articles/505A.html
Secret Police Concentration Camps www.hermes-press.com/gonzalez5.htmIn a revealing admission in June, 1997, the Director of Resource Management for the U.S. Army confirmed the validity of a memorandum relating to the establishment of a civilian inmate labor program under development by the Department of the Army. The document states, "Enclosed for your review and comment is the draft Army regulation on civilian inmate labor utilization" and the procedure to "establish civilian prison camps on installations."Amid widespread rumors, Congressman Henry Gonzales clarified the question of the existence of civilian detention camps. In an interview, Gonzalez stated, "The truth is yes -- you do have these stand by provisions, and the plans are here...whereby you could, in the name of stopping terrorism...evoke the military and arrest Americans and put them in detention camps."
http://news.pacificnews.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=eed74d9d44c30493706fe03f4c9b3a77
Homeland Security Contracts for Vast New Detention CampsNews Analysis/Commentary, Peter Dale Scott,New America Media, Jan 31, 2006
Editor's Note: A little-known $385 million contract for Halliburton subsidiary KBR to build detention facilities for "an emergency influx of immigrants" is another step down the Bush administration's road toward martial law, the writer says.
BERKELEY, Calif.--A Halliburton subsidiary has just received a $385 million contract from the Department of Homeland Security to provide "temporary detention and processing capabilities."
The contract -- announced Jan. 24 by the engineering and construction firm KBR -- calls for preparing for "an emergency influx of immigrants, or to support the rapid development of new programs" in the event of other emergencies, such as "a natural disaster." The release offered no details about where Halliburton was to build these facilities, or when.
Iranian - Americans protest Ashkroft round-up (Los Angeles, CA)
Color Wheel of Fascismhttp://www.falloutshelternews.com/ColorWheelFascism.htmla handy guide to terror alerts
Bush civil rights commissioner warns of detention campshttp://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/jul2002/kirs-j26.shtml
www.cryptome.org/garden-plot.htm martial law plans are not new ("Homeland Security" is a term coined toward the end of the Clinton administration)
New Jersey says "red alert" means entire state must stay home --MARTIAL LAW -- STATE OF SIEGE
http://www.southjerseynews.com/issues/march/m031603e.htmRed alert? Stay home, await wordSunday, March 16, 2003By TOM BALDWINGannett State Bureau TRENTON
If the nation escalates to "red alert," which is the highest in the color-coded readiness against terror, you will be assumed by authorities to be the enemy if you so much as venture outside your home, the state's anti-terror czar says."This state is on top of it," said Sid Caspersen, New Jersey's director of the office of counter-terrorism.Caspersen, a former FBI agent, was briefing reporters, alongside Gov. James E. McGreevey, on Thursday, when for the first time he disclosed the realities of how a red alert would shut the state down.A red alert would also tear away virtually all personal freedoms to move about and associate."Red means all noncritical functions cease," Caspersen said. "Noncritical would be almost all businesses, except health-related."A red alert means there is a severe risk of terrorist attack, according to federal guidelines from the Department of Homeland Security."The state will restrict transportation and access to critical locations," says the state's new brochure on dealing with terrorism."You must adhere to the restrictions announced by authorities and prepare to evacuate, if instructed. Stay alert for emergency messages."Caspersen went further than the brochure. "The government agencies would run at a very low threshold," he said."The state police and the emergency management people would take control over the highways."You literally are staying home, is what happens, unless you are required to be out. No different than if you had a state of emergency with a snowstorm."
www.post-gazette.com/nation/20030330codered0330p6.aspCode Red would trigger a virtual lockdownTop terror alert could shut landmarks, ground planes, stop trains or trigger roadblocksSunday, March 30, 2003By Michael Collins, Scripps Howard News Service
WASHINGTON -- National landmarks such as the Washington Monument, Ellis Island and the Gateway Arch in St. Louis could be shut down.Planes could be grounded, trains could stop running, and bridges and tunnels could be closed. U.S. borders might be sealed off, and roadblocks might be set up on interstates and other major highways.The United States is prepared to go into lockdown mode if the government should raise the nation's terror alert to Code Red, the highest threat level for terrorism. Code Red means there is a severe risk of terrorist attack, or that an attack is imminent or may already be under way."It essentially means you stop doing everything except protecting yourself," said Dave McIntyre, deputy director of the Anser Institute for Homeland Security, a nonprofit research group in Arlington, Va.Homeland security officials have put Americans on notice to brace for the possibility of terrorist attacks while the country is at war with Iraq. The threat level was raised to orange, the second highest, just two days before the war began March 19."There are no plans, nor have their been any discussions, about elevating the threat level to Code Red," said Gordon Johndroe, spokesman for the Department of Homeland Security.To trigger such an alert, U.S. intelligence would have to be "very specific, credible, corroborated [and] provide us with information such as time, date, location" of a possible attack, Johndroe said.Still, federal, state and local officials across the country are going over emergency plans to be prepared in the event that the terror level should be raised to red.Homeland security officials have been vague about what protective measures might be taken under Code Red.But Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge has said such measures might be similar to those put in place Sept. 11, 2001, which means planes could be grounded, borders closed, government buildings shut down and road and rail traffic curtailed.The specific response would depend on the nature of the threat.It's doubtful that the entire country would be placed under a Code Red alert, McIntyre said. A more realistic scenario is that a red alert would result from a specific threat to a particular region or industry.If, for example, there were a terrorist threat against the trucking industry in the Southeast, truck traffic might be temporarily halted in that region but be allowed to continue elsewhere, McIntyre said.Code Red wouldn't mean automatic closure of the Washington Monument and other national landmarks. But superintendents at national parks have been advised that shutting down the facilities is an option at their discretion, said David Barna, a spokesman for the National Park Service.Security was tightened at eight high-profile landmarks, including the Washington Monument, the Liberty Bell pavilion and the Statue of Liberty, after Sept. 11 because they are symbols of democracy and are thus potential terrorist targets, Barna said.Visitors at those landmarks now face airport-security type measures, such as metal detectors, bag searches and checks for explosive devices. Patrols also have been stepped up since the terror alert was raised to orange.But Barna said the landmarks would remain open if possible because they are places of solace that should be available to the public in times of war.A Code Red alert also serves as an advisory to state and local officials, who then must decide whether to put in place protective measures. Emergency plans will vary with each community, but might include calling up the National Guard, closing government buildings and shutting down key roads and bridges.Some schools have plans to lock down their facilities during Code Red and already have begun advising parents not to rush to pick up their children.Residents would be advised to stay away from gathering places, such as sporting events, and listen to the radio or television for instructions. They should be prepared to leave if necessary, but should remain in their homes or offices until they are instructed to leave, McIntyre said."The worst thing you can do is to flee without reason," which could create gridlock on the streets and keep emergency vehicles from getting through, he said.Emergency measures taken under Code Red would be expensive and aren't intended to remain in effect for extended periods, McIntyre said
www.presstelegram.com/Stories/0,1413,204~21474~1251515,00.htmlWASHINGTON Should war with Iraq erupt, Southern Californians could find themselves living in a world of restricted travel, constrained trade, closed schools and public buildings, canceled events and hypersecurity.
your tax dollars at work
Grand Central Station, New York City, February 2003martial law has already begun
Concentration Camps for Citizens - Ashcroft's Hellish Visionhttp://www.latimes.com/la-oe-turley14aug14.storywww.commondreams.org/views02/0814-05.htm
www.counterpunch.com/shivani0807.html 21st century police statewww.counterpunch.com/shivani0813.html "What's next, concentration camps?"www.counterpunch.org/valentine0824.html Operation Phoenix and Homeland (in)Security
Phoenix program (vietnam war assassination program) vet runs part of Homeland Security agencywww.counterpunch.com/homeland1.html - more on Operation Phoenix - the model for Homeland inSecurity
Guantanamo - 'A Live Experiment In Long-Term Interrogation' Meanwhile 4,000 Miles Away In Guantanamo Bay, 660 Prisoners Have No Idea When They Will Be FreedBy Andrew Buncombe The Independent - UK11-19-2003
Indefinite Detention
There is a long list of outrages to our democratic rights in recent years - the "legalization" of indefinite detention on the mere assertion of the president may be one of the most troubling yet.
Associated Press [US]January 8th, 2003
WASHINGTON - A federal appeals court ruled Wednesday that the government can hold U.S. citizens as enemy combatants during wartime without the constitutional protections afforded Americans in criminal prosecutions.In overturning a lower court ruling, the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Richmond, Va., said the status of 21-year-old Yaser Esam Hamdi as a citizen did not change the fact he was captured in Afghanistan while fighting alongside Taliban and al-Qaida fighters."Judicial review does not disappear during wartime, but the review of battlefield captures in overseas conflicts is a highly deferential one" to the government, the judges wrote.Attorney General John Ashcroft hailed the decision, calling it "an important victory for the president's ability to protect the American people in times of war.""Detention of enemy combatants prevents them from rejoining the enemy and continuing to fight against America and its allies, and has long been upheld by our nation's courts, regardless of the citizenship of the enemy combatant," Ashcroft said in a statement.Hamdi was captured in Afghanistan in November 2001 after a prison uprising by suspected Taliban and al-Qaida members. He was transported along with hundreds of other alleged enemy soldiers to a prison at the U.S. Navy base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.It was discovered Hamdi had been born in Louisiana to Saudi parents, who later returned with their son to Saudi Arabia.He has been held in a naval brig in Norfolk, Va., since April.Hamdi's case is seen by some as a major legal test case to determine the government's ability to hold citizens without access to a lawyer or the courts. If Hamdi can be imprisoned in a military jail with few of the constitutional protections afforded Americans facing criminal prosecution, critics say, then other U.S. citizens could be similarly held.A federal judge in Norfolk, Va., agreed, ruling in August that Hamdi should at least have a right to a lawyer and a chance to see the government's evidence against him.The circuit court agreed that the case raises serious questions about the rights of citizens but concluded that, in wartime, the government's authority is supreme in deciding who may be held indefinitely.Hamdi, the judges said, was "squarely within the zone of active combat" when captured and is being lawfully detained. The courts, they added, have only limited authority to intervene in such national security matters."Any effort to ascertain the facts concerning the petitioner's conduct while amongst the nation's enemies would entail an unacceptable risk of obstructing war efforts authorized by Congress and undertaken by the executive branch," the 54-page opinion said.http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=533& e=3&cid=533&u=/ap/20030108/ap_on_go_ot/ afghan_american_prisoners
US prisoners from Afghanistan being flown to the Guantanamo Bay concentration camp (built by Halliburton corporation, Dick Cheney's company)photos leaked to the Art Bell shownote the total sensory deprivation (goggles, nose and mouth muzzle, ear muffs and lack of provisions for bathroom functions (each prisoner has a towel under them to soak up urine)
Hi,The following is a press release for the press conference organized insupport of Cpt. James Yee by Cecilia Chang of Justice for NewAmericans here in San Francisco. This is the statement I will make onbehalf of the National Lawyers Guild Military Law Task Force.Marti HikenMilitary Law Task ForceNational Lawyers Guild318 Ortega StreetSan Francisco, CA 94122415-566-3732 * fax: 415-564-1945Contact: Marti Hiken, co-chair MLTFmlhiken@pacbell.netNovember 12, 3003
My name is Marti Hiken. I'm co-chair of the NLG MLTF.Cpt. Yousef (James) Lee was stationed at The U.S. Naval BaseGuantanamo -- a 45 square mile piece of land on the southeastern sideof Cuba. There is a 17.4 mile fence, guarded by 120 Marines,separating the base from Cuba. He was one of about 3500 troops,sailors, Coast Guard and intelligence agents on the base working atthe Navy airstrip and harbor, and the prison.The U.S. Southern Command established The Joint Task Force- Guantanamoto command the base. It states that its mission is to support detaineeoperation activities at the Holding Facility for Al Qaeda, Taliban orother terrorist personnel that come under US control as a result ofthe ongoing War on Terrorism, and also to serve as the Department ofDefense's focal point for interrogation operations in support ofOperation Enduring Freedom.Camp Delta, Guantanamo is a concentration camp. Except for Auschwitz'smass slaughter of its prisoners, Guantanamo is run no differently fromManzanar or the German equivalents during WWII. Like Auschwitz,Guantanamo is housed on foreign soil but controlled by the invadingcountry.Cpt. Yousef Lee was one of the few who had contact with the prisonersat this concentration camp.The US government has systematically denied the human rights of those660 imprisoned there. Some of them are teenagers, some are older than80 years old. Attempted suicides, torture and the development of newtorture and control techniques is occurring in the name of theAmerican people.The government is step-by-step eliminating all contact from anyonehaving contact with the prisoners. The Lynn Stewart case is anindication that this government will attempt to disbar any attorneywho provides defense and support to the "terrorist" clients.After lawyers, who else would have access to the prisoners that thegovernment would eliminate? Chaplains. Thus, Chaplain Yee is arrestedand confined.Who is next next in line? Translators. Ahmad Al-Halabi and Ahmed FathyMehalba. Both currently confined in military brigs. They also had theopportunity to meet solo with some of the prisoners.The Camp Delta prisoners are held incommunicado, no charges, nocounsel. By excluding attorneys, chaplains, translators, the media,and human rights organizations, the prisoners are left to theinterrogators and prison guards.As with any concentration camp, ultimately the fact that it existswill come back to haunt us as a people. Yee should be set freeimmediately -- Camp Delta should be shut down and the entire base atGuantanamo returned to the Cuban people.
Previous Plans for Martial LawVietnam War Protests, Iran-ContraIgnored by American Society, Now the Plans Have Metastasized
from www.prorev.com/fema.htmIn a July 1983 series in the San Francisco Examiner, two-time Pulitzer Prize winner Knut Royce reported that a presidential directive had been drafted by a few Carter administration personnel in 1979 to allow the military to take control of the government for 90 days in the event of an emergency. A caveat on page one of the directive said, "Keeping the government functioning after a nuclear war is a secret, costly project that detractors claim jeopardizes US traditions and saves a privileged few." According to Royce there was a heated debate within the Carter administration as to just what constituted an "emergency."The issue arose again during the Iran-Contra affair, but even in the wake of all the copy on that scandal, the public got little sense of how far some America's soldiers of fortune were willing to go to achieve their ends. When the Iran-Contra hearings came close to the matter, chair Senator Inouye backed swiftly away. Here is an excerpt from those hearings. Oliver North is at the witness table:
REP BROOKS: Colonel North, in your work at the NSC, were you not assigned, at one time, to work on plans for the continuity of government in the event of a major disaster?BRENDAN SULLIVAN: Mr. Chairman?SEN INOUYE: I believe that question touches upon a highly sensitive and classified area so may I request that you not touch on that.REP BROOKS: I was particularly concerned, Mr. Chairman, because I read in Miami papers, and several others, that there had been a plan developed by that same agency, a contingency plan in the event of emergency, that would suspend the American constitution. And I was deeply concerned about it and wondered if that was the area in which he had worked. I believe that it was and I wanted to get his confirmation.SEN INOUYE; May I most respectfully request that that matter not be touched upon at this stage. If we wish to get into this, I'm certain arrangements can be made for an executive session
With few exceptions, the media ignored what well could be the most startling revelation to have come out of the Iran/Contra affair, namely that high officials of the US government were planning a possible military/civilian coup. First among the exceptions was the Miami Herald, which on July 5, 1987, ran the story to which Jack Brooks referred. The article, by Alfonzo Chardy, revealed Oliver North's involvement in plans for the Federal Emergency Management Agency to take over federal, state and local functions during an ill-defined national emergency.The Constitution does not directly address the question of what should happen in the midst of a major national catastrophe. But neither does it give the slightest support to notions of turning matters over to non-elected civilian or military officials with plenary powers. The best guide is to be found in Amendment Ten which states that the powers of the federal government are those delegated to it by the states and the people. The states and the people have not delegated the power of martial law. Thus in a true crisis (such as a nuclear attack) the answer seems quite plain: the country would be run as a loose confederation of fifty states until a legitimate federal government could be re-established. In the interim, the highest constitutional officials in the land would be the governors.
note: the Federal Emergency Managment Agency is one of the core components of the new Department of Homeland Security.
Bringing the War Homeby Ron Ridenhour with Arthur LubowFrom New Times, 28 November 1975, Vol.5, No.11, pp. 18, 20-24.The Pentagon is training police and guardsmen to help the army crush any revolt in the streets of America. It's part of a detailed secret plan that could end up crushing our liberties.www.namebase.org/ppost14.html
http://www.rightwingslayer.blogspot.comFrom 1982-84 Colonel Oliver North assisted FEMA in drafting its civildefence preparations. Details of these plans emerged during the 1987Iran-Contra scandal.They included executive orders providing forsuspension of the constitution, the imposition of martial law,internment camps, and the turning over of government to the presidentand FEMA.A Miami Herald article on July 5, 1987, reported that the former FEMAdirector Louis Guiffrida's deputy, John Brinkerhoff, handled the martiallaw portion of the planning. The plan was said to be similar to one MrGiuffrida had developed earlier to combat "a national uprising by blackmilitants". It provided for the detention "of at least 21millionAmerican Negroes"' in "assembly centres or relocation camps".Recent pronouncements from the Bush Administration and national securityinitiatives put in place in the Reagan era could see internment campsand martial law in the United States.When president Ronald Reagan was considering invading Nicaragua heissued a series of executive orders that provided the Federal EmergencyManagement Agency (FEMA) with broad powers in the event of a "crisis"such as "violent and widespread internal dissent or national oppositionagainst a US military invasion abroad". They were never used. The plan, which was modeled after a plan thatReagan and Edwin Meese had developed in California to deal with blackactivists, anti-war protesters and members of the student Free SpeechMovement, involved the cooperation of a number of agencies, includingthe Immigration and Naturalization Service which took steps to establisha network of detention centers capable of holding thousands ofundocumented aliens. Foundations are in place for martial law in the UShttp://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/07/27/1027497418339.htmlOliver North's Private Networkhttp://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/FBI/Heart_North_CoverUp_BDF.html
www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/AOPof911p10.htmlDomestic Terrorism: General Ashcroft's"Enemy Citizens," Martial Law and Internment Camps
One of General Ashcroft's campaigns that has received a minimum of coverage in the press are efforts to set up detention and internment camps in the United States as part of preparations for the possibility of declaring martial law. This past summer, journalist Ritt Goldstein wrote two articles -- "Foundations are in place for martial law in the US" and "Internment Camps and Authoritarian US Fast Becoming Reality" [49] -- that detail how "democratic freedoms which have long defined American life are under seige." http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/martialLaw.html http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/internment.htmlThis goes back to President Jimmy Carter's creation of the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) through Executive Order 12148 in 1979. While FEMA's charter originally called for planning and training activities concerning "natural disasters, nuclear war, the possibility of enemy attack on U.S. territory, and incidents involving domestic civil unrest," it was with the advent of the Reagan era in 1981 that FEMA's scope was augmented to be a "national emergency" entity, headed by a federal "emergency czar".[50]"The birth of FEMA's dark side originated in secret during the Reagan administration. FEMA's domestic disaster management role was then broadened to allow it to practice for the imposition of martial law and the internment of so-called aliens and radicals. During this period, a joint exercise was held with the military to prepare for such a contingency, Rex-84. Concurrently, FEMA began assembling files on those whom the Agency might target. . . . The exercise's purpose was to test military capabilities in anticipation of `civil disturbances, major demonstrations', incidentally illustrating the evolution of civil defense into civil control." [51]After a period of abuse of power, culminating with the constitutional crisis later labeled Iran Contra (which was never fully revealed in public as vital moments during congressional hearings were conducted behind closed doors [52]), then Attorney General William French Smith concluded that activities FEMA had been involved in were openly unconstitutional including compiling dossiers on those it might seek to intern. "The FBI challenged FEMA's right to pursue domestic spying, resulting in FEMA's turning over `12,000 political dossiers' to the Bureau." [53]FEMA's involvement in martial law plans surfaced momentarily during the Iran Contra hearings. What was arguably the most important question of those hearings never got a public answer. In July 2002, Southwestern University School of Law Professor Butler Shaffer pondered the question, "Will a Police State Protect Your Liberty?":"It requires no great genius or years of scholarly study to understand how the future is implicit in the present. In July, 1987, the Miami Herald, along with some other newspapers, ran news stories about secret plans, in the Reagan White House, to suspend the Constitution, establish martial law, turn over the functioning of the US government to the Federal Emergency Management Agency, and have military commanders running state and local governments, in the event of a national crisis. One of the architects of this plan was the conservative godling, Lt. Col. Oliver North. There were even rumors, in some circles, that government concentration camps were being readied for such a possibility."While news of such a plan failed to arouse the attention of most legislators, there was one -- Congressman Jack Brooks of Texas -- who, during the Iran-Contra hearings then being conducted, sought to question North about such reports. Brooks was quickly cut off by the Committee chairman, Hawaii Senator Daniel Inouye. In the New York Times report of July 14, 1987, Inouye told Brooks: `that question touches upon a highly sensitive and classified area,' to which Brooks responded: `I read in Miami papers and several others that there had been a plan developed, by that same agency [NSC], a contingency plan in the event of emergency, that would suspend the American Constitution.' Inouye concluded: `May I most respectfully request that that matter not be touched upon, at this stage. If we wish to get into this, I'm certain arrangements can be made for an executive session.' In other words, Sen. Inouye was determined to live up to the pronunciation of his name: `in no way' are we going to let the public know what we have planned for them!" [54]It is not publically known what process and command structures of FEMA's past are deceased, dormant or active today. Goldstein cites an August 15th 2002 Los Angeles Times story recounting ``Ashcroft's announced desire to create "camps for US citizens he deems to be `enemy combatants'" [and that] Ashcroft aides "have indicated that a `high-level committee' will recommend which citizens are to be stripped of their constitutional rights and sent to Ashcroft's new camps"''.[55] This is described in conjunction with a July 15th NewsMax.com story that FEMA is pursuing a "crash effort" to build "sprawling temporary cities to handle millions".John Ashcroft resorts to euphemistic subterfuge when he pretends that he can simply rename a citizen of the U.S. as an "enemy combatant". With Ashcroft's penchant for portraying 9-11 as an act of war, he is now seeking to strip any American he wants to target of their constitutional rights and liberties by labeling them "enemy combatant". In terms of Americans, General Ashcroft should call such person's "enemy citizens" since such person is still protected by our constitutional system of law, even if Ashcroft would rather deny them their rights.Given General Ashcroft's zeal to create camps for U.S. citizens he deems to be "enemy combatants" (although FEMA's public claim is to handle millions of displaced persons in the event of a terrorist attack), it is not unreasonable to expect such camps will be employed to intern Americans. What would be Ashcroft's grounds for internment? Many people will go to the streets to challenge the brazen and continued aggrandizement of power in the hands of the Chief Executive and his officers if another alleged terrorist attack supplies them with more justification to identify and lock up enemy citizens.FEMA's activities during Reagan's terms included national training exercises in preparation for a suspension of the constitution in case of massive domestic political turmoil. The Department of Homeland Security intends to "build upon the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) as one of its key components." [56] Goldstein stresses that FEMA's 1980s downfall (of pursuing openly unconstitutional goals) "was a direct outgrowth of its pursuit of proactive methods, its attempt to legitimize the assumption of extraordinary powers under the very cloak of `counterterrorism'.""At present, the final contents and disposition of the Reagan security initiatives, part of a national crisis plan, remains beyond public knowledge. But given the `War On Terror's' scope, even if a formal crisis is not declared, speculation exists that a de facto drift into an effective deployment of FEMA's crisis powers could occur. And this February, the former FEMA executive, John Brinkerhoff, who reportedly drafted the martial law/internment portions of the national crisis plan, revealed it was `approved by Reagan, and actions were taken to implement it.'" [57]"A Miami Herald article on July 5, 1987, reported that the former FEMA director Louis Guiffrida's deputy, John Brinkerhoff, handled the martial law portion of the planning. The plan was said to be similar to one Mr Giuffrida had developed earlier to combat `a national uprising by black militants'. It provided for the detention `of at least 21 million American Negroes' in `assembly centres or relocation camps'." [58]General Ashcroft clearly is up to the task he believes he faces. Given last December's performance, when he aggressively bullied the Senate Judiciary Committee with extreme doublespeak such as "To those who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty, my message is this: your tactics only aid terrorists" and "terrorists are taught how to use America's freedoms as a weapon against us", it would be more accurate to charge the General with applying newspeak tactics to promote his idea of freedoms as a weapon against the people of this nation-state.It is not clear how far the General's zealotry will carry him and us. Nat Hentoff, writing on September 4th about "General Ashcroft's Detention Camps, Time to Call for His Resignation" notes the status of two American citizens, Yaser Esam Hamdi and Jose Padilla, currently "locked up in military brigs as `enemy combatants.'""In Hamdi's case, the government claims it can hold him for interrogation in a floating navy brig off Norfolk, Virginia, as long as it needs to. When Federal District Judge Robert Doumar asked the man from the Justice Department how long Hamdi is going to be locked up without charges, the government lawyer said he couldn't answer that question. The Bush administration claims the judiciary has no right to even interfere. . . ."Returning to General Ashcroft's plans for American enemy combatants, an August 8 New York Times editorial -- written before those plans were revealed -- said: `The Bush administration seems to believe, on no good legal authority, that if it calls citizens combatants in the war on terrorism, it can imprison them indefinitely and deprive them of lawyers. This defiance of the courts repudiates two centuries of constitutional law and undermines the very freedoms that President Bush says he is defending in the struggle against terrorism.'"Meanwhile, as the camps are being prepared, the braying Terry McAuliffe and the pack of Democratic presidential aspirants are campaigning on corporate crime, with no reference to the constitutional crimes being committed by Bush and Ashcroft. As Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis prophesied: "The greatest menace to freedom is an inert people." And an inert Democratic leadership." [59]As with the bedrock of law in the international arena, we are now witnessing the Bush II repudiation of two centuries of the domestic span of constitutional law undermining the basis of freedoms we presume to be cast in concrete and impermeable to the wiles of such aggrandizement of power. This nullification is being justified behind the all-encompassing façade of a holy "war" against, not a another national entity, but an ambiguous idea that means different things to different people. The supine leadership of Congress is in collusion with this renunciation of constitutional law proceeding apace, given that Congress is not exercising its constitutionally mandated powers of oversight over the Department of Justice.Last month Mr. Hentoff wrote about retired California Congressman Don Edwards as "the Congressman from the Constitution". On August 10th Edwards received the American Bar Association's Thurgood Marshall Award for his "unswerving devotion to the Constitution and its values throughout his career.""He served in the House from 1962 to 1995; for 23 years, Don was chair of the House Subcommittee on Civil and Constitutional Rights-which has oversight of the FBI. Himself a former FBI agent, Don set unprecedentedly high standards for containing the FBI within the bounds of the Constitution, very much including the Bill of Rights. . . ."In the 1970s, Edwards -- along with Senator Frank Church and his committee -- exposed the FBI's pervasive abuses of civil liberties in J. Edgar Hoover's Cointelpro (counter-intelligence program), which monitored, infiltrated, and disrupted entirely lawful civil rights and anti-war organizations."Edwards . . . worked with Gerald Ford's attorney general Edward Levi in formulating FBI investigative guidelines faithful to the Constitution. It is these guidelines that John Ashcroft has contemptuously discarded in order to allow the FBI to go back to the hunting fields of Cointelpro."Characteristically, Edwards, though respected even by his opponents in Congress, refused a repeated request that he join the Intelligence Committee. He said that the people's business should be done in public, and through his influence in the House he blocked various expansions of unreviewable intelligence-authorization powers."Recently, I asked Don Edwards what he thought of the Bush-Ashcroft conception of the Bill of Rights. `The Bill of Rights,' he said, `is under assault. For example, locking people up-citizens or noncitizens-without being charged and without access to a lawyer is wrong. Under our system of justice, you must have a lawyer if you're imprisoned."`Also,' he added vigorously, `Congress is not exercising its oversight powers over the Department of Justice, including the FBI. Committees should be hauling in Justice Department officials to justify what they're doing.'" [60]So far General Ashcroft and Bush II have felt justified in locking up two citizens of the United States without access to a lawyer and claiming the judiciary has no right to interfere. Aides to Ashcroft "have indicated that a `high-level committee' will recommend which citizens are to be stripped of their constitutional rights and sent to Ashcroft's new camps." We find ourselves living our own contemporary Scoundrel Time and must draw inspiration from Lillian Hellman and her accounts of how people stood up to and challenged the unconstitutional authority of an earlier pack of scoundrels: ruthless, ambitious politicians who engaged in their own assault on our constitutional laws and principles.
by Adam Cohen, New York Times [US]September 22nd, 2002rehnquist When America is at war, according to Chief Justice William Rehnquist, people have to get used to having less freedom.There is a limit to what courts will do to help those deprived of rights, he says, because judges have a natural "reluctance" to rule "against the government on an issue of national security during wartime." In fact, there is "some truth," he concludes, to the Latin maxim "inter arma silent leges" — in time of war, the law is silent.With all of the war talk today — the so-called war on terror and the prospect of a real one in Iraq — it may sound as if the chief justice is laying the groundwork for a drastic rollback in civil liberties. But these reflections come from a history book, "All the Laws but One: Civil Liberties in Wartime," that he wrote four years ago. When it came out, "All the Laws but One" seemed like an academic exercise. But with several major terrorism cases headed to the Supreme Court, court watchers are starting to pick it up as a possible guidebook.If Mr. Rehnquist the jurist sees the world as Mr. Rehnquist the historian does, there is cause for concern.The Supreme Court term that begins next month could prove momentous. It will be the justices' first chance to rule on the impact on civil liberties from the Sept. 11 attacks and their aftermath. The court could resolve several key questions: whether American citizens can be held indefinitely without access to lawyers simply because they have been labeled "enemy combatants," whether terrorism suspects can be held in secret detention and whether their deportation hearings can be closed to the public."All the Laws but One," which discusses civil liberties during the Civil War and World Wars I and II, does not answer those questions. But its central message is that in wartime, the balance between order and freedom tips toward order. In recounting the history, Justice Rehnquist gives all the arguments for order, and far too few for freedom. The people whose liberties are taken away are virtually invisible.Justice Rehnquist's selective blindness is most evident in his discussion of the worst denial of civil liberties in American history, the internment of 120,000 people of Japanese ancestry at the start of World War II. He lavishes pages of detail on the military reasons for the roundup. Against that, he offers a single sentence about the hardship imposed on those put in the camps. His account is as dubious as it is brief: he writes that there was "no physical brutality," but historians report that some prisoners were beaten and shot.Justice Rehnquist endorses only part of the Japanese internments, but he seems far more accepting than many scholars who regard the entire episode as a disaster. It would be harder for the reader to accept his conclusions if he had included details about the men, women and children who were rounded up, and the economic, physical and emotional toll imposed on them.It is much the same with the book's discussion of President Abraham Lincoln's decision, during the Civil War, to suspend habeas corpus — the right of someone taken into custody to challenge his imprisonment before a judge. It offers considerable detail about the wartime problems confronting Lincoln, but only a vague sense of how many innocent people may have been kept in prison as a result. Justice Rehnquist readily accepts Lincoln's famous formulation: that if he had preserved habeas corpus, it would have meant allowing "all the laws, but one, to go unexecuted, and the government itself go to pieces, lest that one" — habeas corpus — "be violated." It is this quotation, of course, that gives the book its title.Justice Rehnquist's eagerness to see things from the viewpoint of those charged with keeping order — and his relative lack of concern about their victims — could have important implications for the cases the court hears this term. If the justices think only of terrorism and the threat to national security, they may be inclined to uphold whatever restrictions the Bush administration imposes. The more they actually consider the people being held in secret, or denied the right to see a lawyer, the more likely they are to appreciate the costs of those policies.Another problem with "All the Laws but One" is its contention that presidents cannot be reined in during wartime, so it is pointless to try. Justice Rehnquist quotes, with approval, Francis Biddle, President Franklin Roosevelt's attorney general, who said, "The Constitution has not greatly bothered any wartime president." The opposite case can be made. When President Harry Truman tried to seize the nation's steel mills during the Korean War — arguing that an impending strike threatened national security — he backed down when the Supreme Court objected. Other presidents would probably be just as compliant.But the most disturbing aspect of Justice Rehnquist's book is the lack of outrage, or even disappointment, he evinces when rights are sacrificed. The greatest American patriots have been eloquent about the danger of letting freedom lapse even briefly. Benjamin Franklin said, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." There are times when Justice Rehnquist sees the wisdom of standing up to wartime fervor — he is particularly good about the importance of freedom of speech and assembly. But too often, giving up essential liberty for temporary safety seems an easy call for him.Shortly after "All the Laws but One" came out, in an interview on C-Span, Justice Rehnquist was asked what he thought of writing books. "It's very nice," he responded, "to be able to write something you don't have to get four other people to agree with you [on] before it can become authoritative." This may be the term when we see which of these views he can get four justices to agree with him on. His colleagues should be cautious. If we keep sacrificing "one" law to save "all the laws," there will eventually be no laws left to save.http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/22/opinion/22SUN3.html
http://xymphora.blogspot.com/2002_08_01_xymphora_archive.htmlMore on AshKroft's Kamps:1. Apparently, some think that the original article on the camps has been completely debunked. The point is that there are at most 20 prison cells in question, and that fact, while unfortunate, is not enough to get upset about. The camps issue is thought to be a red herring, and the real issue is still the indefinite detention of 'enemy combatants', especially when the determination of whether one is an 'enemy combatant' is made solely by the Bush Administration. It seems to me that this is true, but it is also important not to forget the issue of the camps. The actual physical construction of the camps is irrelevant. FEMA (the agency that can predict the future) and no doubt other organizations already have suitable camps, constructed for legitimate and semi-legitimate reasons. Once the precedent is set using Padilla and Hamdi (it is possible that the Padilla case is worse than the Hamdi case), and the mechanism is set up to allow the Administration to process 'enemy combatants' in bulk (and anyone who followed the Eichmann trial knows how important the institutional mechanics of repression are to this type of person), it would therefore be easy to 'scale' the 20 cells into 200, 2000, or 20,000. The critical point is the fact that the precedent of Padilla and Hamdi has been set, and as hardly anyone complained about it, it can be used against anyone, even an American citizen arrested in the United States.2. The whole system being proposed by Ashcroft is actually the equivalent of pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps. His theory is that once he has determined that you are an 'enemy combatant', then all normal Constitutional protections immediately evaporate. However, presumably the protections can't evaporate before he makes that determination, i. e., in that legal millisecond before he makes his determination the courts still must be able to examine the Constitutional validity of the making of the determination, and in examining this, presumably have the right to consider all the facts of the case. The judge in the Hamdi case is alive to these issues. The whole 'enemy combatants' issue appears to be a rather transparent method to avoid human rights protections using the circular argument that the Constitution doesn't apply because it doesn't apply to 'enemy combatants', coupled with the dubious notion that you can become an 'enemy combatant' by your alleged involvement in the never-ending and ill-defined 'war on terror'.3. The most interesting questions about Padilla have never been asked. He was detained in early May, but his detention only came to light with Ashcroft's announcement in early June. Since the Administration felt absolutely no qualms about Padilla's detention, and almost didn't bother to mention it until it needed a big distraction from the Coleen Rowley testimony, the whole issue of how many other detainees like Jose Padilla there are remains completely open. The camps may already be full!4. Jonathan Turley, who seems to hold a monopoly in writing about these issues, points out that Ashcroft now wants to turbo-charge the secret court which interprets and enforces the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act to make its draconian powers apply to American citizens. This would presumably grant the government practically unlimited powers of investigation in order to obtain the information required to label the 'enemy combatants', as well as on anyone else the Administration would like to investigate without regard to that nasty Constitution (somewhere in hell, Richard Nixon must be laughing).5. There is an interesting pattern here in the Administration's use of the media. We constantly hear about 'leaks' from the Bush Administration, and sometimes (e. g., Rumsfeld) even hear complaints about the 'leaks'. The 'leaks' and general use of the media appear to be the work of a master manipulator (Rove?):
* the Padilla case was clearly set out for the American people, and the full implications of his treatment explained, allowing for his case to be used as a precedent for the indefinite detention without trial or legal representation for any American citizen labelled an 'enemy combatant';* the constant flow of warnings about imminent terror attacks, to continue the charade of the 'war on terror';* all the 'leaks' involving plans on Iraq, which may be a combination of trial balloons and misdirection, especially if the real goal of the Administration is also to capture Saudi oil fields;* all the obvious media manipulation concerning the anthrax attacks and Steven Hatfill, a patsy who is apparently to be used to distract public attention from the real issues of the case (with apparently another patsy in the wings to take over once the Hatfill investigation peters out).But hey, if you don't want to worry about the AshKroft Kamps, then don't worry about the AshKroft Kamps. As long as you're white and quiet and don't criticize the government, you'll probably be fine.
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FEMA and the REX-84 Program - Readiness Exercise 1984 (that's it's actual name).
American Concentration Camps - index by American Patriot Friends Network.
http://gulagamerika.homestead.com/ - established to document the growing threat of planned detention facilities throughout the USA and Canada
Premonitions of American Holocaust - facts, fears, documentation, rumor, truth, exaggeration.
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Congress of the United States
March 24, 1997
"Enclosed is the information you requested pertaining to the Army's policy and guidance for establishing civilian inmate labor programs and civilian prison camps on Army installations. This information has not yet been published (it is currently at the printers), however, it has been funded, staffed, and does reflect current Army policy."
-- Bill HefnerMember of Congress
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Official Document Confirming the Campstext above
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Preparatory in U.S.
MILITARY POLICE INTERNMENT/RESETTLEMENT OPERATIONS (Official U.S. Military policy regarding concentration camps)
Preparing the Troops -- U.S. soldiers now serving U.N. and NATO abroad are being conditioned to deal with 'militants, insurgents, resisters' at home as well.
Police-Military Cooperation Trends- White House Briefing, Feb. 24, 2000- Photos
Civil Internment Camps up for Review (TheWinds.org, 9/8/97) - Past is prologue
National Guard has been preparing concentration camp in Marseilles Illinois - former National Guardsman reports activities of past several years (Jan. 12, 2003)
The Road to Heart Mountain? [backup] - WWII Japanese interment facilities and retired military bases being prepped.
The Luftwafe over Amerika!! [link dead, looking for original]photos of German planes training in U.S., using former U.S. bases, white UN bus & look-alikes to condition U.S. citizens to international occupation presence.
U.S. Military Civil Disturbance Planning: The War at Home [backup] by Frank Morales
United States Army Document Detailing Civilian Detention Centres [backup] (7/27/94) Photocopy of "Draft Army Regulation on Civilian Inmate Labor Program"
Internet Watch's Report on U.S. Concentration Camps [backup] - Maps, photos, documentation
Fort Dix New Jersey [backup] - photos of "Enemy Prisoner of War compound"
Pre-made prison cells on back of truck [backup] (9/19/95)
U.S. Concentration Camps: FEMA and the Rex 84 Program [backup] - "There over 600 prison camps in the United States, all fully operational and ready to receive prisoners. They are all staffed and even surrounded by full-time guards, but they are all empty. These camps are to be operated by FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) should Martial Law need to be implemented in the United States. The current foreseeable event which will see the implementation of the use of these camps is the coming of the New World Order, led by the Shadow Government."
Desoto National Forest, Mississippi (InfoWars.com)Approx 40-acres, operated by foreign troops. Multiple photos: Razor wire, tents, gun tower, search lights, 10' wall, guard shack, portable prison trucks (July 14, 2000).
Secret Base Discovered in Mississippi [backup] -- endangered species preserve actually home to Russian troops, scud missiles. (Sept. 30, 1996)
Military Man's Response [backup]: "I don't believe that there is anything out of the ordinary going on in the U'S. It's business as usual." (Aug. 5, 2000)
July 8, 2000, Mississippi:Portable prison moves in on trucks, gun tower, search lights.
IndianaYou can order a documentary video called Shocker by calling Hope for America Ministries at 1-800-959-1991.
"300+ concentration camps" (98/4/17)
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Re: "List of camps as of 12/9/99"
I personally visited the supposed "Utah Lake" camp mentioned, driving an hour across dirt roads and through brush to approach the back side of the facility, only to discover that it was a garbage dump. The high fences were to keep the garbage from blowing into the lake. It would be nice to have legitimate validations of these claims and not operate in an irresponsible panic mode.
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Federal Detention Centers being built and currently in operation for federal criminals (e.g. the Waco types).
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Croatian Association of Former Prisoners in Serbian Concentration Camps 1995
~340 Secret Detention Centers in Argentina - (1976 - 1983) These 'Prisoner Assessment Centers' formed a separate and unofficial prison system that secretly functioned alongside the legal structure. They were intended to hold the thousands of people who disappeared in Argentina on the explicit orders of the military dictatorship. The policy was to eliminate political opposition to the "Western Christian way of life."
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America's World War II Prison Camps (by Gary North) - camps in U.S. may have incarcerated as many as 425,000 prisoners of war. (Dec. 11, 2001)
WWII Concentration Camps - alphabetical listing, stats, memoirs. (Jewish Student Online Resource Center)
Cybrary of WWII Concentration Camps - photos, art, research, books,
Concentration Camps a Traveler's Guide to World War II Sites
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NOTE: One of my main reasons for posting this information, even though some of it may seem to stretch credulity, especially in this day of relative peace, is that I have had many friends who have seen them in their visions of the future tribulations.
U.S. Policy • Preparatory in U.S. • Recent Times • Historical • Don't Jump to Conclusions • See also
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/camps.html
Additional Coverage:
FEMA and the REX-84 Program - Readiness Exercise 1984 (that's it's actual name).
American Concentration Camps - index by American Patriot Friends Network.
http://gulagamerika.homestead.com/ - established to document the growing threat of planned detention facilities throughout the USA and Canada
Premonitions of American Holocaust - facts, fears, documentation, rumor, truth, exaggeration.
U.S. Policy
Congress of the United States
March 24, 1997
"Enclosed is the information you requested pertaining to the Army's policy and guidance for establishing civilian inmate labor programs and civilian prison camps on Army installations. This information has not yet been published (it is currently at the printers), however, it has been funded, staffed, and does reflect current Army policy."
-- Bill HefnerMember of Congress
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Official Document Confirming the Campstext above
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Preparatory in U.S.
MILITARY POLICE INTERNMENT/RESETTLEMENT OPERATIONS (Official U.S. Military policy regarding concentration camps)
Preparing the Troops -- U.S. soldiers now serving U.N. and NATO abroad are being conditioned to deal with 'militants, insurgents, resisters' at home as well.
Police-Military Cooperation Trends- White House Briefing, Feb. 24, 2000- Photos
Civil Internment Camps up for Review (TheWinds.org, 9/8/97) - Past is prologue
National Guard has been preparing concentration camp in Marseilles Illinois - former National Guardsman reports activities of past several years (Jan. 12, 2003)
The Road to Heart Mountain? [backup] - WWII Japanese interment facilities and retired military bases being prepped.
The Luftwafe over Amerika!! [link dead, looking for original]photos of German planes training in U.S., using former U.S. bases, white UN bus & look-alikes to condition U.S. citizens to international occupation presence.
U.S. Military Civil Disturbance Planning: The War at Home [backup] by Frank Morales
United States Army Document Detailing Civilian Detention Centres [backup] (7/27/94) Photocopy of "Draft Army Regulation on Civilian Inmate Labor Program"
Internet Watch's Report on U.S. Concentration Camps [backup] - Maps, photos, documentation
Fort Dix New Jersey [backup] - photos of "Enemy Prisoner of War compound"
Pre-made prison cells on back of truck [backup] (9/19/95)
U.S. Concentration Camps: FEMA and the Rex 84 Program [backup] - "There over 600 prison camps in the United States, all fully operational and ready to receive prisoners. They are all staffed and even surrounded by full-time guards, but they are all empty. These camps are to be operated by FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) should Martial Law need to be implemented in the United States. The current foreseeable event which will see the implementation of the use of these camps is the coming of the New World Order, led by the Shadow Government."
Desoto National Forest, Mississippi (InfoWars.com)Approx 40-acres, operated by foreign troops. Multiple photos: Razor wire, tents, gun tower, search lights, 10' wall, guard shack, portable prison trucks (July 14, 2000).
Secret Base Discovered in Mississippi [backup] -- endangered species preserve actually home to Russian troops, scud missiles. (Sept. 30, 1996)
Military Man's Response [backup]: "I don't believe that there is anything out of the ordinary going on in the U'S. It's business as usual." (Aug. 5, 2000)
July 8, 2000, Mississippi:Portable prison moves in on trucks, gun tower, search lights.
IndianaYou can order a documentary video called Shocker by calling Hope for America Ministries at 1-800-959-1991.
"300+ concentration camps" (98/4/17)
Don't Jump to Conclusions
Re: "List of camps as of 12/9/99"
I personally visited the supposed "Utah Lake" camp mentioned, driving an hour across dirt roads and through brush to approach the back side of the facility, only to discover that it was a garbage dump. The high fences were to keep the garbage from blowing into the lake. It would be nice to have legitimate validations of these claims and not operate in an irresponsible panic mode.
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click for enlargementFence near Genola Utah, by Utah Lake
Strange Things in Oregon [backup]
Federal Detention Centers being built and currently in operation for federal criminals (e.g. the Waco types).
Humor/Spoof > Amish-UNWO Alliance Exposed [backup]
Recent Times
Croatian Association of Former Prisoners in Serbian Concentration Camps 1995
~340 Secret Detention Centers in Argentina - (1976 - 1983) These 'Prisoner Assessment Centers' formed a separate and unofficial prison system that secretly functioned alongside the legal structure. They were intended to hold the thousands of people who disappeared in Argentina on the explicit orders of the military dictatorship. The policy was to eliminate political opposition to the "Western Christian way of life."
Historical
America's World War II Prison Camps (by Gary North) - camps in U.S. may have incarcerated as many as 425,000 prisoners of war. (Dec. 11, 2001)
WWII Concentration Camps - alphabetical listing, stats, memoirs. (Jewish Student Online Resource Center)
Cybrary of WWII Concentration Camps - photos, art, research, books,
Concentration Camps a Traveler's Guide to World War II Sites
past is prologue?
Auschwitz - photo album
See also
Places of Refuge for Remnant Saints - Where peaceful people who love liberty and uprightness can gather before and during the coming calamities for survival and a little slice of heaven on what can otherwise be a hellish earth.
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A few years ago, I first learned of the camps. 600+ FEMA internment camps within these United States. They are what some are calling our future concentration camps. They are there and there by executive order. It's a fact that cannot be denied. While researching the location of the camps, I was made aware that some, like the ones in Alaska, are only accessible by air and rail transportation. It was this fact that brought me to a new reality. A new found fear of trains.
Many researchers have cited the existence of over 107, white, UN railroad cars that have been built by independent contracters in the United States.
These cars can hold dozens of prisoners and have, on numerous occasions, been shown to have 135 human shackles in each car. These would be the cars that FEMA would transfer such terrorists/dissidents to their forced labor, internment, or concentration camps.
These cars can hold dozens of prisoners and have, on numerous occasions, been shown to have 135 human shackles in each car. These would be the cars that FEMA would transfer such terrorists/dissidents to their forced labor, internment, or concentration camps.
[C I L F=civilian inmate labor facility] A terrorist who may have only been a peaceful protestor at the Republican National Convention. Or perhaps an individual who had an interest in the wrong book at the library. (A reference to the post 9/11 "What if America, Wasn't America?" line of commercials.)
Upon the instigation of martial law, FEMA's infamous "RED and BLUE" List, with over 6 million Americans marked for priority arrest, would determine the location of your camp and your fate. It would be the beginning of many more arrests to come.
Upon the instigation of martial law, FEMA's infamous "RED and BLUE" List, with over 6 million Americans marked for priority arrest, would determine the location of your camp and your fate. It would be the beginning of many more arrests to come.
But even if you deny the existence of that list, this one fact cannot be ignored: someone, for some reason, would be on a train to a FEMA camp in a time of national emergency.
Speaking on anonymity, an employee of a manufacturer of railcars stated that Gunderson Rail Car Co. received a contract to build over 400 boxcars. These boxcars were ordered and paid for by the UN. They were white and they had shackles built into them. Shackles possibly for a brother, a sister, a mother, or you. Another company was making the boxcars as well. A company called Thrall Railcar. Thrall Rail Car merged with Trinity Industries, Inc. in October of 2001 to form the Trinity Rail Group.
[One location of 'Trinity' is Springfield, Missouri, close to The Burlington Northern Railway.
For those of you who believe in David Icke's views on occult symbolism in corporate logos, I'll simply add that Trinity Industries has "3 pyramids" in their logo. If you don't, I'll also add that on the Board of Directors of Trinity Rail Group is Craig J. Duchossois.
For those of you who believe in David Icke's views on occult symbolism in corporate logos, I'll simply add that Trinity Industries has "3 pyramids" in their logo. If you don't, I'll also add that on the Board of Directors of Trinity Rail Group is Craig J. Duchossois.
He is a heavy contributor to the Bush-Cheney 04, Inc. re-election campaign and labeled a Pioneer.
A Pioneer is someone who has contributed more than $100,000 to the re-election campaign. Craig J. Duchossois is also Chairman of the The Chamberlain Group - a group that sells access and security products for homes and businesses around the world including biometrics.
A Pioneer is someone who has contributed more than $100,000 to the re-election campaign. Craig J. Duchossois is also Chairman of the The Chamberlain Group - a group that sells access and security products for homes and businesses around the world including biometrics.
Now the white boxcars sometimes have been cited to have such labels as "Kansas City Southern" on the side to make them appear more inconspicuous.
Boxcars would typically have a number like CSXT 119626 on the side, which is a reporting mark indicating who owns the car and the number being how to route them.
Perhaps the people ordering the boxcars, don't want you to know where you're going but simply who sent you there so you know before you die.
I chose to find out now. Kansas City Southern is a transportation holding company that has railroad investments in the U.S., Mexico, and Panama. KCS's rail holdings and investments are primary components of a NAFTA railway system that links commerical and industrial centers of the U.S., Canada, and Mexico. One of KCS's Directors is Robert J. Druten.
Druten is also the Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer of Hallmark Cards, Inc. But why would a VP of Greeting Cards be on the Board of Directors for a Railroad Company?
Hallmark coincidentally has been chosen every year of Bush's presidency to produce presidential holiday cards. Robert Druten along with Hallmark have also been making re-election campaign contributions to George W. Bush. As previously stated, KCS has railroad investments in Panama.
A country that George Bush Sr. invaded before Desert Storm under the pretext of Manuel Noriega's Drug Trafficking. Some say it was the practice invasion for Iraq. So what if KCS has offices in one of the largest drug smuggling ports in the world? If Bush Senior and Junior are truly tied up with KCS, it is entirely possible that key CIA drug smuggling has been primarily coming through our railroad system.
From Panama, up through Mexico, into Texas, straight on to Houston, Dallas (a.k.a. Bush Central) all on KCS rail lines (along with Union Pacific). On December 4, 2003, KCS announced in Pro-Homeland fashion that it has become a certified member of the Customs-Trade Partnership Against Terrorism program, which is run by U.S. Customs and Border Protection of the Department of Homeland Security.
Perhaps the people ordering the boxcars, don't want you to know where you're going but simply who sent you there so you know before you die.
I chose to find out now. Kansas City Southern is a transportation holding company that has railroad investments in the U.S., Mexico, and Panama. KCS's rail holdings and investments are primary components of a NAFTA railway system that links commerical and industrial centers of the U.S., Canada, and Mexico. One of KCS's Directors is Robert J. Druten.
Druten is also the Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer of Hallmark Cards, Inc. But why would a VP of Greeting Cards be on the Board of Directors for a Railroad Company?
Hallmark coincidentally has been chosen every year of Bush's presidency to produce presidential holiday cards. Robert Druten along with Hallmark have also been making re-election campaign contributions to George W. Bush. As previously stated, KCS has railroad investments in Panama.
A country that George Bush Sr. invaded before Desert Storm under the pretext of Manuel Noriega's Drug Trafficking. Some say it was the practice invasion for Iraq. So what if KCS has offices in one of the largest drug smuggling ports in the world? If Bush Senior and Junior are truly tied up with KCS, it is entirely possible that key CIA drug smuggling has been primarily coming through our railroad system.
From Panama, up through Mexico, into Texas, straight on to Houston, Dallas (a.k.a. Bush Central) all on KCS rail lines (along with Union Pacific). On December 4, 2003, KCS announced in Pro-Homeland fashion that it has become a certified member of the Customs-Trade Partnership Against Terrorism program, which is run by U.S. Customs and Border Protection of the Department of Homeland Security.
It's important to note that one of the motivations for companies to participate in the CTPAT is that they will be rewarded with fewer customs inspections when their cargo arrives in the US.
They are agreeing to "self assess" their security under the CTPAT guidelines in exchange for less custom inspections. Sounds like a great program. It almost sounds like letting a student grade his own homework, and for every "A" he gets to skip a day of class.
To further play devil's advocate, I believe this announcement simply places them under a more suspect connection to our government and FEMA control by establishing the history of a relationship with Homeland Security. Under executive order #11005 the government can take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities in a time of national emergency. Conveniently, all executive orders that would allot FEMA the ability to suspend the constitution are omitted from their own website in their own "executive orders" section.
Why would they even want to control the rails? Why do they not want you to know they have that power? During his role as governor of Texas, George W. Bush met with with Mexican President Ernesto Zedillo on multiple occassions. Incidentally in 2001, President Zedillo was appointed to Union Pacific's Board of Directors.
He now has a seat on the boards of the Alcoa and Procter & Gamble corporations and a resume very similar to VP Dick Cheney. Oddly enough, Dick Cheney also served on the Board of Directors for Proctor & Gamble and served on Union Pacific's Board during Zedillo's presidency. What are the odds? Due to a bad economy and poor leadership, Zedillo was bailed out by the Clinton Administration to save his administration.
Conditions of the bailout required Mexico to deposit all of its export oil revenues as collateral in the Wall Street branch of the U.S. Federal Reserve. This gave the NWO oil cabal even more control over the world's oil supply. The ex-president also advises the prestigious Council on Foreign Relations, the UN, and David Rockefeller's Trilateral Commission.
While Zedillo was President and George Bush was governor of Texas, KCS won a $1.4 billon bid which doubled it's track mileage and made it a key player in growing U.S. Mexican trade by operating Mexico's busiest rail line into the United States.
Perhaps Zedillo and Bush were discussing more than Border Patrol. Let me go back to Gunderson Rail Car Co. which is a subsidiary of the Greenbrier Companies.
The Greenbriar companies are a leading supplier of transportation equipment and services to the railroad industry. One of Greenbrier's major european companies is Greenbrier Germany which was obtained in 2000. Greenbrier Germany is a design and marketing group for rail cars. Perhaps the NWO likes german designs on their transports to concentration camps.
They worked so well in the past. On June 17, 2004, the Greenbrier Companies announced that it has received orders from TTX for nearly 7,000 railcars valued at approximately $400 million principally for production in North America.
It is the largest single award Greenbrier has ever received. In all, Greenbrier owns over 12,000 railcars and performs management services for approximately 113,000 railcars. I wonder how many boxcars they have "off the record" for those clients that cannot be acknowledged.
Finally, TTX has a friend of Cheney's on the Board of Directors, Mr. Robert M. Knight, Jr., Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer of Union Pacific. They worked together when Cheney was on the Board. Why is a friend of Cheney's giving them the largest single order Greenbrier has ever received? What does Bush/Cheney have planned for 2005-2006.
What does the NWO have planned? Bush and Cheney have been shown to have ties to KCS, Union Pacific, Trinity Rail Car, The Chamberlain Group, and The Greenbrier Companies, after only a small amount of internet research. Imagine what you could learn if you followed up on this.
After I began writing this article I was outside and heard a train whistle in the moonlight. For a few moments I felt the sensation of a jew in Nazi Germany. Despite any problems one may have with the above information, you still have to acknowledge the camps.
Those FEMA internment or what some would call, concentration camps. New camps are going up every day. Camps that can only be accessed by Train.
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SkepticOverlord
posted on 14-6-2004 at 08:17 PM - single
U.S. Concentration Camps
U.S. CONCENTRATION CAMPSFEMA AND THE REX 84 PROGRAM
BREAKING HURRICANE KATRINA CONSPIRACY STORY!September 5, 2005:
"I just got back from a FEMA Detainment Camp"
There over 600 prison camps in the United States, all fully operational and ready to receive prisoners. They are all staffed and even surrounded by full-time guards, but they are all empty. These camps are to be operated by FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) should Martial Law need to be implemented in the United States.
The Rex 84 Program was established on the reasoning that if a mass exodus of illegal aliens crossed the Mexican/US border, they would be quickly rounded up and detained in detention centers by FEMA. Rex 84 allowed many military bases to be closed down and to be turned into prisons.
Operation Cable Splicer and Garden Plot are the two sub programs which will be implemented once the Rex 84 program is initiated for its proper purpose. Garden Plot is the program to control the population. Cable Splicer is the program for an orderly takeover of the state and local governments by the federal government. FEMA is the executive arm of the coming police state and thus will head up all operations. The Presidential Executive Orders already listed on the Federal Register also are part of the legal framework for this operation.
The camps all have railroad facilities as well as roads leading to and from the detention facilities. Many also have an airport nearby. The majority of the camps can house a population of 20,000 prisoners. Currently, the largest of these facilities is just outside of Fairbanks, Alaska. The Alaskan facility is a massive mental health facility and can hold approximately 2 million people.
A person named Terry Kings wrote an article on his discoveries of campslocated in southern California. His findings are as follows:
Over the last couple months several of us have investigated three soon-to-be prison camps in the Southern California area. We had heard about these sites and wanted to see them for ourselves.
The first one we observed was in Palmdale, California. It is not operating as a prison at the moment but is masquerading as part of a water facility. Now why would there be a facility of this nature out in the middle of nowhere with absolutely no prisoners? The fences that run for miles around this large facility all point inward, and there are large mounds of dirt and dry moat surrounding the central area so the inside area is not visible from the road. There are 3 large loading docks facing the entrance that can be observed from the road. What are these massive docks going to be loading?
We observed white vans patrolling the area and one came out and greeted us with a friendly wave and followed us until we had driven safely beyond the area. What would have happened had we decided to enter the open gate or ask questions?
This facility is across the street from the Palmdale Water Department. The area around the Water Department has fences pointing outward, to keep people out of this dangerous area so as not to drown. Yet, across the street, the fences all point inward. Why? To keep people in? What people? Who are going to be it's occupants?
There are also signs posted every 50 feet stating: State of California Trespassing Loitering Forbidden By Law Section 555 California Penal Code.
The sign at the entrance says: Pearblossom Operations and Maintenance Subcenter Receiving Department, 34534 116th Street East. There is also a guard shack located at the entrance.
We didn't venture into this facility, but did circle around it to see if there was anything else visible from the road. We saw miles of fences with the top points all directed inward. There is a railroad track that runs next to the perimeter of this fenced area. The loading docks are large enough to hold railroad cars. [lrec]
I wonder what they are planning for this facility? They could easily fit 100,000 people in this area. And who would the occupants be?
Another site is located in Brand Park in Glendale. There are newly constructed fences (all outfitted with new wiring that point inward). The fences surround a dry reservoir. There are also new buildings situated in the area. We questioned the idea that there were four armed military personnel walking the park. Since when does a public park need armed guards?
A third site visited was in the San Fernando Valley, adjacent to the Water District. Again, the area around the actual Water District had fences logically pointing out (to keep people out of the dangerous area). And the rest of the adjacent area which went on for several miles was ringed with fences and barbed wire facing inward (to keep what or who in?) Also, interesting was the fact that the addition to the tops of the fences were fairly new as to not even contain any sign of rust on them. Within the grounds was a huge building that the guard said was a training range for policemen. There were newly constructed roads, new gray military looking buildings, and a landing strip. For what? Police cars were constantly patrolling the several mile perimeter of the area.
From the parking lot of the Odyssey Restaurant a better view could be taken of the area that was hidden from site from the highway. There was an area that contained about 100 black boxes that looked like railroad cars. We had heard that loads of railroad cars have been manufactured in Oregon outfitted with shackles. Would these be of that nature? From our position it was hard to determine.
In searching the Internet, I have discovered that there are about 600 of these prison sites around the country (and more literally popping up overnight do they work all night). They are manned, but yet do not contain prisoners. Why do they need all these non-operating prisons? What are they waiting for? We continuously hear that our current prisons are overcrowded and they are releasing prisoners because of this situation. But what about all these facilities? What are they really for? Why are there armed guards yet no one to protect themselves against? And what is going to be the kick-off point to put these facilities into operation?
What would bring about a situation that would call into effect the need for these new prison facilities? A man-made or natural catastrophe? An earthquake, panic due to Y2K, a massive poisoning, a panic of such dimensions to cause nationwide panic?
Once a major disaster occurs (whether it is a real event or manufactured event does not matter) Martial Law is hurriedly put in place and we are all in the hands of the government agencies (FEMA) who thus portray themselves as our protectors. Yet what happens when we question those in authority and how they are taking away all of our freedoms? Will we be the ones detained in these camp sites? And who are they going to round up? Those with guns? Those who ask questions? Those that want to know what's really going on? Does that include any of us? The seekers of truth?
When first coming across this information I was in a state of total denial. How could this be? I believed our country was free, and always felt a sense of comfort in knowing that as long as we didn't hurt others in observing our freedom we were left to ourselves. Ideally we treated everyone with respect and honored their uniqueness and hoped that others did likewise.
It took an intensive year of searching into the hidden politics to discover that we are as free as we believe we are. If we are in denial, we don't see the signs that are staring at us, but keep our minds turned off and busy with all the mundane affairs of daily life.
We just don't care enough to find out the real truth, and settle for the hand-fed stories that come our way over the major media sources television, radio, newspaper, and magazines. But it's too late to turn back to the days of blindfolds and hiding our heads in the sand because the reality is becoming very clear. The time is fast approaching when we will be the ones asking "What happened to our freedom? To our free speech? To our right to protect ourselves and our family? To think as an individual? To express ourselves in whatever way we wish?"
Once we challenge that freedom we find out how free we really are. How many are willing to take up that challenge? Very few indeed, otherwise we wouldn't find ourselves in the situation that we are in at the present time. We wouldn't have let things progress and get out of the hands of the public and into the hands of those that seek to keep us under their control no matter what it takes, and that includes the use of force and detainment for those that ask the wrong questions.
Will asking questions be outlawed next? Several instances have recently been reported where those that were asking questions that came too near the untold truth (the cover up) were removed from the press conferences and from the public's ear. Also, those that wanted to speak to the press were detained and either imprisoned, locked in a psychiatric hospital, slaughtered (through make-believe suicides) or discredited.
Why are we all in denial over these possibilities? Didn't we hear about prison camps in Germany, and even in the United States during World War II? Japanese individuals were rounded up and placed in determent camps during the duration of the War. Where was their freedom?
You don't think it could happen to you? Obviously those rounded up and killed didn't think it could happen to them either. How could decent people have witnessed such atrocities and still said nothing? Are we going to do the same here as they cart off one by one those individuals who are taking a stand for the rights of the citizens as they expose the truth happening behind the scenes? Are we all going to sit there and wonder what happened to this country of ours? Where did we go wrong? How could we let it happen? This post is part of the main AboveTopSecret.com content archive. It has been moved from the static archive and integrated with the discussion board to allow our members to comment on the material.The content can be seen here on ATS: abovetopsecret.com/pages/camps.html
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cleaner_hw
alarm.gif posted on 2-12-2004 at 10:20 PM (post id: 1022937) - single
concentration campsThe concentration camps are for those that do not conform to the guidelines of the new world order. Which I might add is very real and being worked toward each day; also the Bush Family are very strong supporters of the new world order and if viewed closely; resembles the Communest Manifesto. Americans are easly duped into believing most anything that does not disrupt their false security of being FREE and SAFE. The new world order will be one money(currency),one religion,one government ,and one military (the United Nations). Perhaps someone can tell me what is wrong with this picture, where there is NO United States Constitution or Bill Of Rights.
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HowlrunnerIV
posted on 3-12-2004 at 03:58 AM (post id: 1023332) - single
quote: Originally posted by cleaner_hw The new world order will be one money(currency),one religion,one government ,and one military (the United Nations). Perhaps someone can tell me what is wrong with this picture, where there is NO United States Constitution or Bill Of Rights. I don't really see the problem. If there is no Bill of Rights and no Constitution then they cannot be abrogated. You can't break what doesn't exist. Anyway, we have no Bill of Rights and I would suggest our government is less opressive of us than the US is of its people. And how often has the US government broken Constitutional law anyway? Look at the secret bombing campaign of Cambodia. The wiretapping of White House employees. The decision to categorise prisoners as "illegal enemy combatants" and thus make it legal not to observe the Geneva convention. Who needs such "quaint" and "outdated" documents?
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radiant_obsidian
posted on 3-12-2004 at 04:14 AM (post id: 1023342) - single
Thinking out loudIs it possible that these camps may also be used as holding camps for the large amount of US kids found to have "mental health" problems aftert the new legislation demanding mental health screening for every child in the US. There could be a whole range of possible uses for these camps, as well as the three programs already outlined by SkepticOverlord. Im just thinking out loud here, but what other types of situation could bring about martial law and force the use of these Gulags by FEMA on a nationwide basis??????............ 1- Huge natural disaster event............such as multiple volcanid eruptions from the likes of Mt St Helens/ Mt Rainier.......a caldera event taking place at Yellowstone.........Unprecedented storm season/weather anomalies, or Supermassive earthquakes such as "The Big One" predictied to hit the San Francico fault area.....or smaller widescale earthmovement due to Water movement disruption in the soils and bedrock for desalinisation purposes. 2- Huge cosmic disaster event......caused by comet/meteor impact anywhere in the US....could cause widespread panic and could vapourise a large chunk of US. 3- Huge unnatural disaster/s....such as a multiple combined terrorist attack on more than 1 urban area using WMD's....this is probably the most obvious and likely scenario. For example....a coming war with Iran would give a great cover story for the administration to orchastrate an event like 9/11 and blame it on supposed Iranian spies or terrorists. [edit on 3-12-2004 by radiant_obsidian]
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CGB_Spender
posted on 3-12-2004 at 10:57 PM (post id: 1025392) - single
I will tell what these camps are for. they are for arabs in the U.S. there is a massive influx arabs in europe and the U.S. in the event that another attack takes place in the U.S. the arabs-americans will be rounded up and put into these camps.
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marg6043
posted on 3-12-2004 at 11:23 PM (post id: 1025439) - single
OK, if these camps in the pictures are located in California, doesn't the public has the right to ask authorities in the country or are about them and what is their purpose, if tax payer dollars are maintaining these facilities the citizens have the right to see what is going on. Perhaps a sizable group should gather around the facility and see what happened also the media should be involved. I don't think liberties have been stripped that bad yet. Right?
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Sauron
posted on 3-12-2004 at 11:24 PM (post id: 1025440) - single
quote: Originally posted by CGB_Spender I will tell what these camps are for. they are for arabs in the U.S. there is a massive influx arabs in europe and the U.S. in the event that another attack takes place in the U.S. the arabs-americans will be rounded up and put into these camps. Then after the Arabs, whose next, political dissenters, mentally disabled people / children, Catholics, South Americans, protestants, etc, you or me? remember the poem "Fist They Came For" by Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945
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TrueAmerican
posted on 3-12-2004 at 11:36 PM (post id: 1025460) - single
Skeptic O, Alex Jones has been screaming about this for years. Just visit www.infowars.com for a tasty look into the upcoming police state. In fact, the prison camps and the box cars with shackles are just the tip of the iceberg. Alex has exposed all kinds of stuff related to this, including the camps themselves. UN troops, already here. Military troops acting as police officers, violating posse comitatus. Black helicopters landing in school yards. You name it, he's got it. Patriot Act 2 gets passed, and it's over. They got us. Anyone who even dissents or expresses an opinion against them will be detained as a terrorist- no phone call, no laywer, no trial, and no limits to how long they can detain you. And oh, if you think you can tell someone they have detained you, searched your house, or even just interrogated you- they'll get you for that too. Seen HR-10? <--another piece of their lovely pie. Suggestion, SkepticO: Invite Alex for an interview on ATS, he might dig it. Unfortunately, most of us won't dig what he will tell us. It is indeed the end of America as we knew it. Wanna know how easy? Here's a prediction: US attacks Iran in pre-emptive strikes. Nuke goes off in US city, and they claim Iran did it. Boom. Martial Law imposed. Internet locked down. Activist groups rounded up. No one to oppose them. It can happen. What can we do about it? Let me know when you figure it out. copyright
MKULTRA
posted on 4-12-2004 at 12:11 AM (post id: 1025520) - single
Definitely get Alex Jones. These concentration camp stories have been around for awhile. There are indeed plans in place for such an operation, but it is my understanding that this plan would only be implemented in the event of a major disaster. There are also mass stores of foods (in large underground rooms) in the subway systems of certain major cities. MK [edit on 4-12-2004 by MKULTRA]
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Sauron
posted on 4-12-2004 at 12:26 AM (post id: 1025541) - single
Yes I concur with TrueAmerican and MKULTRA, Alex Jones is on top of the NWO issues, and corrupt laws and politicians of American government one of the few people who have actually read both PATRIOT ACTS I, II. He would be a very informative guest to interview. Even Ron Paul for that matter but that might be reaching. On another note I was looking for photographs of these supposed white United Nation railroad cars / prison cars, what few sites I came across that had any pictures had them removed for what ever reasons. Sauron
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ThichHeaded
posted on 4-12-2004 at 02:57 AM (post id: 1025718) - single
I know these camps have been around for at least early 90's soon after i finished school, before I got into this Conspiricy thing, I used to listen to this idiot in pgh, pa named Jim Quinn. Anyway needless to say he stated something about these camps about 10 12 yrs ago... I didnt pay much attention to it cause it wasnt my gig, altho coming into the conspircy thing it rang tru after all those yrs.. There is 1 camp in canada my freind confirmed for me, I asked him for images, but he said all it is is metal and grass... so no help there.
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bordnlazy
posted on 4-12-2004 at 03:05 AM (post id: 1025735) - single
well i remember some crazy oldman telling how the NWO was refitting these old camps Way back in the winter of 2000, I have a way of making people talk even if i dont want to hear what they have to say. he ws paranoid and wouldnt say his name. and at the time i thought he was crazy , but now that i read this. i'm starting to doubt how crazy he was?
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Off_The_Street
posted on 6-12-2004 at 01:53 PM (post id: 1030873) - single
Well, nothing personal, but it all sounds like rubbish to me. For example, listen to this "Terry King" guy with his story: "Over the last couple months several of us have investigated three soon-to-be prison camps in the Southern California area. We had heard about these sites and wanted to see them for ourselves." Of course, he never gives any directions so we can check his "investigations" How convenient. "The first one ... is not operating as a prison at the moment but is masquerading as part of a water facility." ROFLMAO! Right across the park from our neighborhood is another huge FEMA prison, but it s not operating as a prison at the moment but is masquerading as Skyline High School! Right next to Falcon Field Airport in Mesa is a Huge Nazi Extermination Camp Operated By the Grays. It is not operating as a prison at the moment but is masquerading as The Boeing Company facility where they make helicopters! Right down the street is another FEMA prison. It is not operating as a prison at the moment but is masquerading as the AJ Stake of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints! C'mon! "Now why would there be a facility of this nature out in the middle of nowhere with absolutely no prisoners?" Uhhh ... because it's not a prison camp? You think? "The fences that run for miles around this large facility all point inward..." So do most fences that are chain link topped with angled barbed wire. It's an OSHA safety requirement. "...and there are large mounds of dirt and dry moat surrounding the central area so the inside area is not visible from the road." And what is that supposed to prove? We have a facility exactly like that about ten miles south of where I live. It's a GM Proving Ground! "There are 3 large loading docks facing the entrance that can be observed from the road. What are these massive docks going to be loading?" I give up, what? You tell me. Maybe they're planning to put a supermarket there. Just about every store or business that uses raw materials has a couple of loading docks in the back. About five years ago, I saw an post by some bozo who said he had a map of where all there "FEMA Camps" in Arizona were supposed to be, and offered to share them with anyone who asked. He didn't seem too anxious to send me one, since I told him I actually lived near the location of those "Camps" and wanted to check them out for myself. But after some cajoling on my part, he sent me directions to three of the "FEMA Camps" after first making me swear I wouldn't tell anyone where I got them from. Well, to make a long story short, I went to these three locations. The first was an abandoned camp set up by Executive Order 9066 in 1942. Anyone familiar with US History knows about that sickening episode, I would hope. Anyway, nothing there but one corrugated-roof shack with its doors off and a bunch of concrete foundations. The second was a POW camp, also from the 1940's, where a captured German U-Boat crew was imprisoned and who escaped by digging out a tunnel and trying to hike to Mexico (they were all caught); and again, there's not much there but a bunch of decrepit foundations. The third was on Open Range on the Tohono O'odham Reservation about a half mile off I-10. I spent a half-hour poking around and saw some interesting cactus. As far as I know, every single report of these "Secret Concentration camps" has turned out to be completely bogus. If anyone has any serious "evidence" of these things in Arizona, let me know and I eill go and look again. If you live in Arizona, contact me at 480-891-2525, and we'll go together. But until then, I'm going to assume that there is no evidence for any of it, and it's all some sort of urban (or rural, in this case) myth.
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blanketgirl
posted on 6-12-2004 at 02:11 PM (post id: 1030915) - single
quote: Originally posted by Off_The_Street "The first one ... is not operating as a prison at the moment but is masquerading as part of a water facility." ROFLMAO! Right across the park from our neighborhood is another huge FEMA prison, but it s not operating as a prison at the moment but is masquerading as Skyline High School!In that quote- isn't he referring to a chunk of land connected to the water facility that isn't actually used there? It is possible it could be land they own for future development- sounds pretty likely- but if it is patrolled land that isn't in use this could be taken as a suspicious location.
quote: "The fences that run for miles around this large facility all point inward..." So do most fences that are chain link topped with angled barbed wire. It's an OSHA safety requirement. "...and there are large mounds of dirt and dry moat surrounding the central area so the inside area is not visible from the road." There is a spot close to me which could easily be compaired to this- it is a HUGE fenced area, only accessable from a hidden dirt driveway that is marked on maps as a golf course. I've never been able to find any sign that it is actually a golf course (no other entry from any side) It is surrounded by a dry moat, a huge hill and barbed wire fences. Are you sure that is an OSHA requirement?
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Byrd
posted on 6-12-2004 at 02:24 PM (post id: 1030955) - single
These are urban legends. Some of these are old military bases (patroled to keep the rash lil' public darlings from tripping over unexploded ordinance and blowing themsleves to kingdom come.) Some of the "camps" are nonexistant (we went to look for ourselves after taking a look on the USGS photo maps and finding nothing.) A reported "FEMA camp masquerading as a water treatment plant" here in Texas was (ta-daa) a water treatment plant. A reported "FEMA concentration camp masquerading as a prison" is the local women's prison and is full with no plans for expansion. Think about it, folks: our military is far overextended in other parts of the world. US troops aren't going to round up our citizens (and if you don't believe me, ask the members of the military who are here on the board.) Foreign troops aren't going to come in to do it (you'd need an impossible number and the minute someone tried it, every cop and firefighter around would be all over them like white on rice.) The logistics aren't workable. It's a great "boogabooga" scenario designed to scare you into joining them. But start asking yourself how long it would take to control a well-fed, high tech, extremely intelligent population (being well-armed isn't that necessary) with good access to transportation and communication. The answer is "bloody well forever." We're having the dickens of a time in Iraq... imagine how fast the US citizens (better educated, more mobile, with better communications devices) could smash anything coming into the states.
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HowardRoark
posted on 6-12-2004 at 02:31 PM (post id: 1030969) - single
Put me down for the side that thinks this is all rubbish. I am surprised no one has pointed out the most glaring piece of garbage in this story.
quote: The majority of the camps can house a population of 20,000 prisoners. Currently, the largest of these facilities is just outside of Fairbanks, Alaska. The Alaskan facility is a massive mental health facility and can hold approximately 2 million people. Come on. Do you have any idea the type of infrastructure you would need to successfully house 20,000 people, let alone 2 million You need water, and plenty of it, you need waste treatment facilities, housing, heat, medical facilities. Oh, and how are you going to get 2 million people up to Fairbanks Alaska without going through Canada? Oh, yeah, that�s right. The Canadians are part of the NWO also.
quote: They are all staffed and even surrounded by full-time guards, but they are all empty. How many guards do you need to watch 20,000 people? Where are these guards? Do you mean to tell me that there are hundreds of thousands of guards that have been hired so far? What are they doing now, sitting on their buts watching pr0n and eating donuts?
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Off_The_Street
posted on 6-12-2004 at 02:57 PM (post id: 1031041) - single
Blanketgirl says: �In that quote- isn't he referring to a chunk of land connected to the water facility that isn't actually used there? It is possible it could be land they own for future development- sounds pretty likely- but if it is patrolled land that isn't in use this could be taken as a suspicious location.� I doubt it; if I own land that is what�s called by the lawyers an �attractive nuisance�, I can get sued for damages if you come on my land and get hurt � even if I post it and fence it. (Yes, I know that�s unfair, but we�re talking lawyers and lawsuits here.) �There is a spot close to me which could easily be compared to this- it is a HUGE fenced area, only accessible from a hidden dirt driveway that is marked on maps as a golf course. I've never been able to find any sign that it is actually a golf course (no other entry from any side).� It could be for future development. Maybe the company that bought the land for the golf course also got the adjacent land as part of a package deal is contemplating improving it at a later date. Again, if it�s an Attractive Nuisance, you will find guards there, if the property owner doesn�t want to get his Gluteus Maximus ground maximally. Are you sure that is an OSHA requirement? The data I got comes from an Army manual, Engineering Manual EM 1110-1-400 (31 Jul 87), entitled �Health Safety and Security� dealing with fencing. Note that that document says: �� facilities and equipment will comply with applicable Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) standards, National Fire Protection Association standards, and Consumer Product Safety Commission standards and guides.� Paragraph 2-4, Fencing, refers you to OSHA: ��Policy and guidance on fencing of project boundaries are provided in ER 1130-2-400.�
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Off_The_Street
posted on 6-12-2004 at 02:57 PM (post id: 1031042) - single
OOPS! I did some more research on barbed wire fencing. The EM document I quoted above has been superseded, and I can't find any OSHA regulations. As a matter of fact, a lot of companies who sell the fences suggest that the barbed wire strands be angled out, which would make it harder for people to get in. But a lot of counties and minicipalities have their own laws, and some of them require that if you have outward-pointing barbed wire, your fence has to be set back from your own property line. Don't ask me why; it's a lawyer thing. [edit on 6-12-2004 by Off_The_Street]
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ANOK
posted on 6-12-2004 at 03:19 PM (post id: 1031097) - single
I'm keeping an open mind on this one (unlike some other ppl). Could they be for an up comming war with China for example. Remember thousands of Japanese were interned during WWII. http://www.ww2pacific.com/relocation.html Or are they for us? http://www.uhuh.com/control/list-gar.htm http://www.uhuh.com/control/garden.htm http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/suppression.html (Edit. Almost forgot. How's the banjo pickin off the street?) [edit on 6/12/2004 by ANOK]
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Off_The_Street
posted on 6-12-2004 at 03:37 PM (post id: 1031130) - single
Anok says: "I'm keeping an open mind on this one (unlike some other ppl). Could they be for an up comming war with China for example." It could be for anything; or more likely it could be for nothing, because we don't have any evidence that these things even exist. And I hardly believe that, in a war with China we would be capturing that many PLA soldiers, do you? However, Anok, I agree with you. I think that close-minded people (you know, the ones who KNOW they don't exist or KNOW they do exist) should take a page from you and me and wait and see what evidence there is, right? "Remember thousands of Japanese were interned during WWII." Yes. that was my comment on Executive Order 9066. Except that they weren't all "Japanese"; a lot of them were Americans of Japanese ancestry. "Almost forgot. How's the banjo pickin off the street?" Did I send you any of the band's MP3's? I know I sent a bunch out. If you want to hear, e-mail me at duncankunz@cox.net or call me at 480-891-2525; I'll send 'em out.
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SkepticOverlord
posted on 14-6-2004 at 08:17 PM - single
U.S. Concentration Camps
U.S. CONCENTRATION CAMPSFEMA AND THE REX 84 PROGRAM
BREAKING HURRICANE KATRINA CONSPIRACY STORY!September 5, 2005:
"I just got back from a FEMA Detainment Camp"
There over 600 prison camps in the United States, all fully operational and ready to receive prisoners. They are all staffed and even surrounded by full-time guards, but they are all empty. These camps are to be operated by FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) should Martial Law need to be implemented in the United States.
The Rex 84 Program was established on the reasoning that if a mass exodus of illegal aliens crossed the Mexican/US border, they would be quickly rounded up and detained in detention centers by FEMA. Rex 84 allowed many military bases to be closed down and to be turned into prisons.
Operation Cable Splicer and Garden Plot are the two sub programs which will be implemented once the Rex 84 program is initiated for its proper purpose. Garden Plot is the program to control the population. Cable Splicer is the program for an orderly takeover of the state and local governments by the federal government. FEMA is the executive arm of the coming police state and thus will head up all operations. The Presidential Executive Orders already listed on the Federal Register also are part of the legal framework for this operation.
The camps all have railroad facilities as well as roads leading to and from the detention facilities. Many also have an airport nearby. The majority of the camps can house a population of 20,000 prisoners. Currently, the largest of these facilities is just outside of Fairbanks, Alaska. The Alaskan facility is a massive mental health facility and can hold approximately 2 million people.
A person named Terry Kings wrote an article on his discoveries of campslocated in southern California. His findings are as follows:
Over the last couple months several of us have investigated three soon-to-be prison camps in the Southern California area. We had heard about these sites and wanted to see them for ourselves.
The first one we observed was in Palmdale, California. It is not operating as a prison at the moment but is masquerading as part of a water facility. Now why would there be a facility of this nature out in the middle of nowhere with absolutely no prisoners? The fences that run for miles around this large facility all point inward, and there are large mounds of dirt and dry moat surrounding the central area so the inside area is not visible from the road. There are 3 large loading docks facing the entrance that can be observed from the road. What are these massive docks going to be loading?
We observed white vans patrolling the area and one came out and greeted us with a friendly wave and followed us until we had driven safely beyond the area. What would have happened had we decided to enter the open gate or ask questions?
This facility is across the street from the Palmdale Water Department. The area around the Water Department has fences pointing outward, to keep people out of this dangerous area so as not to drown. Yet, across the street, the fences all point inward. Why? To keep people in? What people? Who are going to be it's occupants?
There are also signs posted every 50 feet stating: State of California Trespassing Loitering Forbidden By Law Section 555 California Penal Code.
The sign at the entrance says: Pearblossom Operations and Maintenance Subcenter Receiving Department, 34534 116th Street East. There is also a guard shack located at the entrance.
We didn't venture into this facility, but did circle around it to see if there was anything else visible from the road. We saw miles of fences with the top points all directed inward. There is a railroad track that runs next to the perimeter of this fenced area. The loading docks are large enough to hold railroad cars. [lrec]
I wonder what they are planning for this facility? They could easily fit 100,000 people in this area. And who would the occupants be?
Another site is located in Brand Park in Glendale. There are newly constructed fences (all outfitted with new wiring that point inward). The fences surround a dry reservoir. There are also new buildings situated in the area. We questioned the idea that there were four armed military personnel walking the park. Since when does a public park need armed guards?
A third site visited was in the San Fernando Valley, adjacent to the Water District. Again, the area around the actual Water District had fences logically pointing out (to keep people out of the dangerous area). And the rest of the adjacent area which went on for several miles was ringed with fences and barbed wire facing inward (to keep what or who in?) Also, interesting was the fact that the addition to the tops of the fences were fairly new as to not even contain any sign of rust on them. Within the grounds was a huge building that the guard said was a training range for policemen. There were newly constructed roads, new gray military looking buildings, and a landing strip. For what? Police cars were constantly patrolling the several mile perimeter of the area.
From the parking lot of the Odyssey Restaurant a better view could be taken of the area that was hidden from site from the highway. There was an area that contained about 100 black boxes that looked like railroad cars. We had heard that loads of railroad cars have been manufactured in Oregon outfitted with shackles. Would these be of that nature? From our position it was hard to determine.
In searching the Internet, I have discovered that there are about 600 of these prison sites around the country (and more literally popping up overnight do they work all night). They are manned, but yet do not contain prisoners. Why do they need all these non-operating prisons? What are they waiting for? We continuously hear that our current prisons are overcrowded and they are releasing prisoners because of this situation. But what about all these facilities? What are they really for? Why are there armed guards yet no one to protect themselves against? And what is going to be the kick-off point to put these facilities into operation?
What would bring about a situation that would call into effect the need for these new prison facilities? A man-made or natural catastrophe? An earthquake, panic due to Y2K, a massive poisoning, a panic of such dimensions to cause nationwide panic?
Once a major disaster occurs (whether it is a real event or manufactured event does not matter) Martial Law is hurriedly put in place and we are all in the hands of the government agencies (FEMA) who thus portray themselves as our protectors. Yet what happens when we question those in authority and how they are taking away all of our freedoms? Will we be the ones detained in these camp sites? And who are they going to round up? Those with guns? Those who ask questions? Those that want to know what's really going on? Does that include any of us? The seekers of truth?
When first coming across this information I was in a state of total denial. How could this be? I believed our country was free, and always felt a sense of comfort in knowing that as long as we didn't hurt others in observing our freedom we were left to ourselves. Ideally we treated everyone with respect and honored their uniqueness and hoped that others did likewise.
It took an intensive year of searching into the hidden politics to discover that we are as free as we believe we are. If we are in denial, we don't see the signs that are staring at us, but keep our minds turned off and busy with all the mundane affairs of daily life.
We just don't care enough to find out the real truth, and settle for the hand-fed stories that come our way over the major media sources television, radio, newspaper, and magazines. But it's too late to turn back to the days of blindfolds and hiding our heads in the sand because the reality is becoming very clear. The time is fast approaching when we will be the ones asking "What happened to our freedom? To our free speech? To our right to protect ourselves and our family? To think as an individual? To express ourselves in whatever way we wish?"
Once we challenge that freedom we find out how free we really are. How many are willing to take up that challenge? Very few indeed, otherwise we wouldn't find ourselves in the situation that we are in at the present time. We wouldn't have let things progress and get out of the hands of the public and into the hands of those that seek to keep us under their control no matter what it takes, and that includes the use of force and detainment for those that ask the wrong questions.
Will asking questions be outlawed next? Several instances have recently been reported where those that were asking questions that came too near the untold truth (the cover up) were removed from the press conferences and from the public's ear. Also, those that wanted to speak to the press were detained and either imprisoned, locked in a psychiatric hospital, slaughtered (through make-believe suicides) or discredited.
Why are we all in denial over these possibilities? Didn't we hear about prison camps in Germany, and even in the United States during World War II? Japanese individuals were rounded up and placed in determent camps during the duration of the War. Where was their freedom?
You don't think it could happen to you? Obviously those rounded up and killed didn't think it could happen to them either. How could decent people have witnessed such atrocities and still said nothing? Are we going to do the same here as they cart off one by one those individuals who are taking a stand for the rights of the citizens as they expose the truth happening behind the scenes? Are we all going to sit there and wonder what happened to this country of ours? Where did we go wrong? How could we let it happen? This post is part of the main AboveTopSecret.com content archive. It has been moved from the static archive and integrated with the discussion board to allow our members to comment on the material.The content can be seen here on ATS: abovetopsecret.com/pages/camps.html
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cleaner_hw
alarm.gif posted on 2-12-2004 at 10:20 PM (post id: 1022937) - single
concentration campsThe concentration camps are for those that do not conform to the guidelines of the new world order. Which I might add is very real and being worked toward each day; also the Bush Family are very strong supporters of the new world order and if viewed closely; resembles the Communest Manifesto. Americans are easly duped into believing most anything that does not disrupt their false security of being FREE and SAFE. The new world order will be one money(currency),one religion,one government ,and one military (the United Nations). Perhaps someone can tell me what is wrong with this picture, where there is NO United States Constitution or Bill Of Rights.
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HowlrunnerIV
posted on 3-12-2004 at 03:58 AM (post id: 1023332) - single
quote: Originally posted by cleaner_hw The new world order will be one money(currency),one religion,one government ,and one military (the United Nations). Perhaps someone can tell me what is wrong with this picture, where there is NO United States Constitution or Bill Of Rights. I don't really see the problem. If there is no Bill of Rights and no Constitution then they cannot be abrogated. You can't break what doesn't exist. Anyway, we have no Bill of Rights and I would suggest our government is less opressive of us than the US is of its people. And how often has the US government broken Constitutional law anyway? Look at the secret bombing campaign of Cambodia. The wiretapping of White House employees. The decision to categorise prisoners as "illegal enemy combatants" and thus make it legal not to observe the Geneva convention. Who needs such "quaint" and "outdated" documents?
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radiant_obsidian
posted on 3-12-2004 at 04:14 AM (post id: 1023342) - single
Thinking out loudIs it possible that these camps may also be used as holding camps for the large amount of US kids found to have "mental health" problems aftert the new legislation demanding mental health screening for every child in the US. There could be a whole range of possible uses for these camps, as well as the three programs already outlined by SkepticOverlord. Im just thinking out loud here, but what other types of situation could bring about martial law and force the use of these Gulags by FEMA on a nationwide basis??????............ 1- Huge natural disaster event............such as multiple volcanid eruptions from the likes of Mt St Helens/ Mt Rainier.......a caldera event taking place at Yellowstone.........Unprecedented storm season/weather anomalies, or Supermassive earthquakes such as "The Big One" predictied to hit the San Francico fault area.....or smaller widescale earthmovement due to Water movement disruption in the soils and bedrock for desalinisation purposes. 2- Huge cosmic disaster event......caused by comet/meteor impact anywhere in the US....could cause widespread panic and could vapourise a large chunk of US. 3- Huge unnatural disaster/s....such as a multiple combined terrorist attack on more than 1 urban area using WMD's....this is probably the most obvious and likely scenario. For example....a coming war with Iran would give a great cover story for the administration to orchastrate an event like 9/11 and blame it on supposed Iranian spies or terrorists. [edit on 3-12-2004 by radiant_obsidian]
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CGB_Spender
posted on 3-12-2004 at 10:57 PM (post id: 1025392) - single
I will tell what these camps are for. they are for arabs in the U.S. there is a massive influx arabs in europe and the U.S. in the event that another attack takes place in the U.S. the arabs-americans will be rounded up and put into these camps.
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marg6043
posted on 3-12-2004 at 11:23 PM (post id: 1025439) - single
OK, if these camps in the pictures are located in California, doesn't the public has the right to ask authorities in the country or are about them and what is their purpose, if tax payer dollars are maintaining these facilities the citizens have the right to see what is going on. Perhaps a sizable group should gather around the facility and see what happened also the media should be involved. I don't think liberties have been stripped that bad yet. Right?
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Sauron
posted on 3-12-2004 at 11:24 PM (post id: 1025440) - single
quote: Originally posted by CGB_Spender I will tell what these camps are for. they are for arabs in the U.S. there is a massive influx arabs in europe and the U.S. in the event that another attack takes place in the U.S. the arabs-americans will be rounded up and put into these camps. Then after the Arabs, whose next, political dissenters, mentally disabled people / children, Catholics, South Americans, protestants, etc, you or me? remember the poem "Fist They Came For" by Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945
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TrueAmerican
posted on 3-12-2004 at 11:36 PM (post id: 1025460) - single
Skeptic O, Alex Jones has been screaming about this for years. Just visit www.infowars.com for a tasty look into the upcoming police state. In fact, the prison camps and the box cars with shackles are just the tip of the iceberg. Alex has exposed all kinds of stuff related to this, including the camps themselves. UN troops, already here. Military troops acting as police officers, violating posse comitatus. Black helicopters landing in school yards. You name it, he's got it. Patriot Act 2 gets passed, and it's over. They got us. Anyone who even dissents or expresses an opinion against them will be detained as a terrorist- no phone call, no laywer, no trial, and no limits to how long they can detain you. And oh, if you think you can tell someone they have detained you, searched your house, or even just interrogated you- they'll get you for that too. Seen HR-10? <--another piece of their lovely pie. Suggestion, SkepticO: Invite Alex for an interview on ATS, he might dig it. Unfortunately, most of us won't dig what he will tell us. It is indeed the end of America as we knew it. Wanna know how easy? Here's a prediction: US attacks Iran in pre-emptive strikes. Nuke goes off in US city, and they claim Iran did it. Boom. Martial Law imposed. Internet locked down. Activist groups rounded up. No one to oppose them. It can happen. What can we do about it? Let me know when you figure it out. copyright
MKULTRA
posted on 4-12-2004 at 12:11 AM (post id: 1025520) - single
Definitely get Alex Jones. These concentration camp stories have been around for awhile. There are indeed plans in place for such an operation, but it is my understanding that this plan would only be implemented in the event of a major disaster. There are also mass stores of foods (in large underground rooms) in the subway systems of certain major cities. MK [edit on 4-12-2004 by MKULTRA]
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Sauron
posted on 4-12-2004 at 12:26 AM (post id: 1025541) - single
Yes I concur with TrueAmerican and MKULTRA, Alex Jones is on top of the NWO issues, and corrupt laws and politicians of American government one of the few people who have actually read both PATRIOT ACTS I, II. He would be a very informative guest to interview. Even Ron Paul for that matter but that might be reaching. On another note I was looking for photographs of these supposed white United Nation railroad cars / prison cars, what few sites I came across that had any pictures had them removed for what ever reasons. Sauron
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ThichHeaded
posted on 4-12-2004 at 02:57 AM (post id: 1025718) - single
I know these camps have been around for at least early 90's soon after i finished school, before I got into this Conspiricy thing, I used to listen to this idiot in pgh, pa named Jim Quinn. Anyway needless to say he stated something about these camps about 10 12 yrs ago... I didnt pay much attention to it cause it wasnt my gig, altho coming into the conspircy thing it rang tru after all those yrs.. There is 1 camp in canada my freind confirmed for me, I asked him for images, but he said all it is is metal and grass... so no help there.
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bordnlazy
posted on 4-12-2004 at 03:05 AM (post id: 1025735) - single
well i remember some crazy oldman telling how the NWO was refitting these old camps Way back in the winter of 2000, I have a way of making people talk even if i dont want to hear what they have to say. he ws paranoid and wouldnt say his name. and at the time i thought he was crazy , but now that i read this. i'm starting to doubt how crazy he was?
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Off_The_Street
posted on 6-12-2004 at 01:53 PM (post id: 1030873) - single
Well, nothing personal, but it all sounds like rubbish to me. For example, listen to this "Terry King" guy with his story: "Over the last couple months several of us have investigated three soon-to-be prison camps in the Southern California area. We had heard about these sites and wanted to see them for ourselves." Of course, he never gives any directions so we can check his "investigations" How convenient. "The first one ... is not operating as a prison at the moment but is masquerading as part of a water facility." ROFLMAO! Right across the park from our neighborhood is another huge FEMA prison, but it s not operating as a prison at the moment but is masquerading as Skyline High School! Right next to Falcon Field Airport in Mesa is a Huge Nazi Extermination Camp Operated By the Grays. It is not operating as a prison at the moment but is masquerading as The Boeing Company facility where they make helicopters! Right down the street is another FEMA prison. It is not operating as a prison at the moment but is masquerading as the AJ Stake of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints! C'mon! "Now why would there be a facility of this nature out in the middle of nowhere with absolutely no prisoners?" Uhhh ... because it's not a prison camp? You think? "The fences that run for miles around this large facility all point inward..." So do most fences that are chain link topped with angled barbed wire. It's an OSHA safety requirement. "...and there are large mounds of dirt and dry moat surrounding the central area so the inside area is not visible from the road." And what is that supposed to prove? We have a facility exactly like that about ten miles south of where I live. It's a GM Proving Ground! "There are 3 large loading docks facing the entrance that can be observed from the road. What are these massive docks going to be loading?" I give up, what? You tell me. Maybe they're planning to put a supermarket there. Just about every store or business that uses raw materials has a couple of loading docks in the back. About five years ago, I saw an post by some bozo who said he had a map of where all there "FEMA Camps" in Arizona were supposed to be, and offered to share them with anyone who asked. He didn't seem too anxious to send me one, since I told him I actually lived near the location of those "Camps" and wanted to check them out for myself. But after some cajoling on my part, he sent me directions to three of the "FEMA Camps" after first making me swear I wouldn't tell anyone where I got them from. Well, to make a long story short, I went to these three locations. The first was an abandoned camp set up by Executive Order 9066 in 1942. Anyone familiar with US History knows about that sickening episode, I would hope. Anyway, nothing there but one corrugated-roof shack with its doors off and a bunch of concrete foundations. The second was a POW camp, also from the 1940's, where a captured German U-Boat crew was imprisoned and who escaped by digging out a tunnel and trying to hike to Mexico (they were all caught); and again, there's not much there but a bunch of decrepit foundations. The third was on Open Range on the Tohono O'odham Reservation about a half mile off I-10. I spent a half-hour poking around and saw some interesting cactus. As far as I know, every single report of these "Secret Concentration camps" has turned out to be completely bogus. If anyone has any serious "evidence" of these things in Arizona, let me know and I eill go and look again. If you live in Arizona, contact me at 480-891-2525, and we'll go together. But until then, I'm going to assume that there is no evidence for any of it, and it's all some sort of urban (or rural, in this case) myth.
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blanketgirl
posted on 6-12-2004 at 02:11 PM (post id: 1030915) - single
quote: Originally posted by Off_The_Street "The first one ... is not operating as a prison at the moment but is masquerading as part of a water facility." ROFLMAO! Right across the park from our neighborhood is another huge FEMA prison, but it s not operating as a prison at the moment but is masquerading as Skyline High School!In that quote- isn't he referring to a chunk of land connected to the water facility that isn't actually used there? It is possible it could be land they own for future development- sounds pretty likely- but if it is patrolled land that isn't in use this could be taken as a suspicious location.
quote: "The fences that run for miles around this large facility all point inward..." So do most fences that are chain link topped with angled barbed wire. It's an OSHA safety requirement. "...and there are large mounds of dirt and dry moat surrounding the central area so the inside area is not visible from the road." There is a spot close to me which could easily be compaired to this- it is a HUGE fenced area, only accessable from a hidden dirt driveway that is marked on maps as a golf course. I've never been able to find any sign that it is actually a golf course (no other entry from any side) It is surrounded by a dry moat, a huge hill and barbed wire fences. Are you sure that is an OSHA requirement?
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Byrd
posted on 6-12-2004 at 02:24 PM (post id: 1030955) - single
These are urban legends. Some of these are old military bases (patroled to keep the rash lil' public darlings from tripping over unexploded ordinance and blowing themsleves to kingdom come.) Some of the "camps" are nonexistant (we went to look for ourselves after taking a look on the USGS photo maps and finding nothing.) A reported "FEMA camp masquerading as a water treatment plant" here in Texas was (ta-daa) a water treatment plant. A reported "FEMA concentration camp masquerading as a prison" is the local women's prison and is full with no plans for expansion. Think about it, folks: our military is far overextended in other parts of the world. US troops aren't going to round up our citizens (and if you don't believe me, ask the members of the military who are here on the board.) Foreign troops aren't going to come in to do it (you'd need an impossible number and the minute someone tried it, every cop and firefighter around would be all over them like white on rice.) The logistics aren't workable. It's a great "boogabooga" scenario designed to scare you into joining them. But start asking yourself how long it would take to control a well-fed, high tech, extremely intelligent population (being well-armed isn't that necessary) with good access to transportation and communication. The answer is "bloody well forever." We're having the dickens of a time in Iraq... imagine how fast the US citizens (better educated, more mobile, with better communications devices) could smash anything coming into the states.
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HowardRoark
posted on 6-12-2004 at 02:31 PM (post id: 1030969) - single
Put me down for the side that thinks this is all rubbish. I am surprised no one has pointed out the most glaring piece of garbage in this story.
quote: The majority of the camps can house a population of 20,000 prisoners. Currently, the largest of these facilities is just outside of Fairbanks, Alaska. The Alaskan facility is a massive mental health facility and can hold approximately 2 million people. Come on. Do you have any idea the type of infrastructure you would need to successfully house 20,000 people, let alone 2 million You need water, and plenty of it, you need waste treatment facilities, housing, heat, medical facilities. Oh, and how are you going to get 2 million people up to Fairbanks Alaska without going through Canada? Oh, yeah, that�s right. The Canadians are part of the NWO also.
quote: They are all staffed and even surrounded by full-time guards, but they are all empty. How many guards do you need to watch 20,000 people? Where are these guards? Do you mean to tell me that there are hundreds of thousands of guards that have been hired so far? What are they doing now, sitting on their buts watching pr0n and eating donuts?
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Off_The_Street
posted on 6-12-2004 at 02:57 PM (post id: 1031041) - single
Blanketgirl says: �In that quote- isn't he referring to a chunk of land connected to the water facility that isn't actually used there? It is possible it could be land they own for future development- sounds pretty likely- but if it is patrolled land that isn't in use this could be taken as a suspicious location.� I doubt it; if I own land that is what�s called by the lawyers an �attractive nuisance�, I can get sued for damages if you come on my land and get hurt � even if I post it and fence it. (Yes, I know that�s unfair, but we�re talking lawyers and lawsuits here.) �There is a spot close to me which could easily be compared to this- it is a HUGE fenced area, only accessible from a hidden dirt driveway that is marked on maps as a golf course. I've never been able to find any sign that it is actually a golf course (no other entry from any side).� It could be for future development. Maybe the company that bought the land for the golf course also got the adjacent land as part of a package deal is contemplating improving it at a later date. Again, if it�s an Attractive Nuisance, you will find guards there, if the property owner doesn�t want to get his Gluteus Maximus ground maximally. Are you sure that is an OSHA requirement? The data I got comes from an Army manual, Engineering Manual EM 1110-1-400 (31 Jul 87), entitled �Health Safety and Security� dealing with fencing. Note that that document says: �� facilities and equipment will comply with applicable Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) standards, National Fire Protection Association standards, and Consumer Product Safety Commission standards and guides.� Paragraph 2-4, Fencing, refers you to OSHA: ��Policy and guidance on fencing of project boundaries are provided in ER 1130-2-400.�
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Off_The_Street
posted on 6-12-2004 at 02:57 PM (post id: 1031042) - single
OOPS! I did some more research on barbed wire fencing. The EM document I quoted above has been superseded, and I can't find any OSHA regulations. As a matter of fact, a lot of companies who sell the fences suggest that the barbed wire strands be angled out, which would make it harder for people to get in. But a lot of counties and minicipalities have their own laws, and some of them require that if you have outward-pointing barbed wire, your fence has to be set back from your own property line. Don't ask me why; it's a lawyer thing. [edit on 6-12-2004 by Off_The_Street]
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ANOK
posted on 6-12-2004 at 03:19 PM (post id: 1031097) - single
I'm keeping an open mind on this one (unlike some other ppl). Could they be for an up comming war with China for example. Remember thousands of Japanese were interned during WWII. http://www.ww2pacific.com/relocation.html Or are they for us? http://www.uhuh.com/control/list-gar.htm http://www.uhuh.com/control/garden.htm http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/suppression.html (Edit. Almost forgot. How's the banjo pickin off the street?) [edit on 6/12/2004 by ANOK]
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Off_The_Street
posted on 6-12-2004 at 03:37 PM (post id: 1031130) - single
Anok says: "I'm keeping an open mind on this one (unlike some other ppl). Could they be for an up comming war with China for example." It could be for anything; or more likely it could be for nothing, because we don't have any evidence that these things even exist. And I hardly believe that, in a war with China we would be capturing that many PLA soldiers, do you? However, Anok, I agree with you. I think that close-minded people (you know, the ones who KNOW they don't exist or KNOW they do exist) should take a page from you and me and wait and see what evidence there is, right? "Remember thousands of Japanese were interned during WWII." Yes. that was my comment on Executive Order 9066. Except that they weren't all "Japanese"; a lot of them were Americans of Japanese ancestry. "Almost forgot. How's the banjo pickin off the street?" Did I send you any of the band's MP3's? I know I sent a bunch out. If you want to hear, e-mail me at duncankunz@cox.net or call me at 480-891-2525; I'll send 'em out.
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