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Kids being "locked-down" at school in Hollister, Missouri ??
News/Current Events Breaking News News Keywords: SCHOOLS,MISSOURI,ARKANSASSource: Alex JonesAuthor: selfPosted on 05/17/2000 09:43:54 PDT by Ozark Patriot
I have been listening to Alex Jones on the shortwave. My reception is sporadic, so I only caught bits and pieces. The police and the Feds are having some type of drill at the school in Hollister, Missouri (below Branson) today. They are going to "lock down" the grammar school and bus away the middle school and high school kids to an unknown destination. One caller thinks it will be to Omaha, Arkansas. Apparently, this is in preparation for a "Columbine type" incident. One caller who had children in the school stated she called the superintendent for more info. He told her he couldn't give her any info and that he might have to report her to the FBI. This is very disturbing to me. I am trying to find more information on this and hoped a FReeper might know about it. Would appreciate any help.

1 Posted on 05/17/2000 09:43:54 PDT by Ozark Patriot[ Reply Private Reply Top Last ]
To: Ozark Patriot
Can you say INDOCTRINATION?
Sounds to me like they are EXPECTING something to happen.
2 Posted on 05/17/2000 09:46:34 PDT by unixfox[ Reply Private Reply To 1 Top Last ]
To: Ozark Patriot
They did this to a school in New Jersey before Algore did a dog and pony show. Shipped out all non-conformists to the Clinton-Gore agenda.
Probably something similar.
3 Posted on 05/17/2000 09:49:31 PDT by 11th_VA[ Reply Private Reply To 1 Top Last ]
To: Ozark Patriot
Just heard Alex say that the high school and middle school will be led out at gunpoint and loaded on the buses. He also stated there is a FEMA facility only 20 miles away (even though they won't say where they are taking them). The mother that called stated that they are even taking the kids whose parents did not sign permission slips. Any help?
4 Posted on 05/17/2000 09:51:16 PDT by Ozark Patriot[ Reply Private Reply To 1 Top Last ]
To: Ozark Patriot
I have to say I'm skeptical. Can you imagine how you and your neighbors would react if you heard about this happening to your kids? We'd be down there so fast and so many that their heads would spin. At minimum they'd have to haul dozens and dozens of us off to jail. No school would ever be able to hold my daughter against my will.
5 Posted on 05/17/2000 09:51:38 PDT by zook (rcs8@psu.edu)[ Reply Private Reply To 1 Top Last ]
To: Ozark Patriot
Social experimentation centers produce a promising tax base.
6 Posted on 05/17/2000 09:51:50 PDT by cornelis[ Reply Private Reply To 1 Top Last ]
To: zook
Homeschooling works.
7 Posted on 05/17/2000 09:52:28 PDT by cornelis[ Reply Private Reply To 5 Top Last ]
To: Ozark Patriot
Just heard Alex say that the high school and middle school will be led out at gunpoint and loaded on the buses. He also stated there is a FEMA facility only 20 miles away (even though they won't say where they are taking them).
Now it's sounding more like a 'death education' indoctrination:-)
8 Posted on 05/17/2000 09:54:04 PDT by 11th_VA[ Reply Private Reply To 4 Top Last ]
To: Ozark Patriot
Not only is this "disturbing", it's just downright frightening. Thank God for parochial schooling! Please, anyone, keep us updated.
9 Posted on 05/17/2000 09:54:19 PDT by K. Anderson[ Reply Private Reply To 1 Top Last ]
To: Ozark Patriot
Sounds like FEMA is getting people trained into being herded into camps. Good practice for the sheep and the thugs.
10 Posted on 05/17/2000 09:59:20 PDT by Always Right[ Reply Private Reply To 1 Top Last ]
To: Ozark Patriot
You can listen on short wave at 9400khz or on the Web infowar.com
11 Posted on 05/17/2000 10:02:34 PDT by Lanman[ Reply Private Reply To 1 Top Last ]
To: Always Right
Or see how much the people will put up with.
12 Posted on 05/17/2000 10:12:14 PDT by monkeywrench[ Reply Private Reply To 10 Top Last ]
To: Ozark Patriot
has anyone called this school?
13 Posted on 05/17/2000 10:34:32 PDT by Schin Scrape[ Reply Private Reply To 1 Top Last ]
To: Schin Scrape
I called the Taney county sheriff's department at (417) 546-7250. I asked the fellow if military, FBI, or BATF were involved. He said no to each. I then asked him if the kids would be walked out at gunpoint. He then said "We don't have anything to do with this...let me transfer you to someone who knows". When does a sheriff not know what is happening in his own county? Anyway, he then tranferred me to an articulate young lady at the police department (I assume Hollister). I asked her the same questions. She apparently didn't know how to answer them, because a gentleman (had been listening on another line) butted in and stated that there were no Feds involved...only the police department and a few people from Taney county. He also said the kids would not be walked out at gunpoint. Could be true, but I doubt it after the "no answer" I got from the sheriff's department. When does the police department do something like this on their own? Sounded like a rehearsed response to me. And I wonder what kind of Federal funding this school district has gotten recently. I just heard Alex talk to someone there on a payphone, so hopefully they will get some footage for Alex's next video. My phone battery is low but will try to post the phone # for police department.
14 Posted on 05/17/2000 10:48:17 PDT by Ozark Patriot[ Reply Private Reply To 13 Top Last ]
To: Schin Scrape
I also heard there is a "news crew" there.
15 Posted on 05/17/2000 10:51:34 PDT by Ozark Patriot[ Reply Private Reply To 13 Top Last ]
To: Ozark Patriot
One fellow (a parent?) was on the payphone talking to Alex. He said someone was writing his tag number and someone else was trying to get him off the phone.
16 Posted on 05/17/2000 11:04:14 PDT by Ozark Patriot[ Reply Private Reply To 15 Top Last ]
To: Ozark Patriot
I gotta split. Thanks for the response. I will call when I get back.
17 Posted on 05/17/2000 11:19:20 PDT by Schin Scrape[ Reply Private Reply To 14 Top Last ]
To: unixfox,11th_VA,zook,cornelis,K.Anderson,Always Right,Lanman,monkeywrench,Schin Scrape
The number to the superintendent's office is (417) 332-0130 and the number to the Hollister police department is (417) 334-6565.
18 Posted on 05/17/2000 11:27:17 PDT by Ozark Patriot[ Reply Private Reply To 16 Top Last ]
To: Ozark Patriot
Is it just a coincidence that they are shipping these kids across state lines? To evade or confuse state jurisdiction?
19 Posted on 05/17/2000 12:24:12 PDT by Monti Cello[ Reply Private Reply To 1 Top Last ]
To: Lanman
Actually, that's Infowars.com
20 Posted on 05/17/2000 12:58:35 PDT by Le-Roy[ Reply Private Reply To 11 Top Last ]
To: Le-Roy
You're right, LeRoy. Thanks for the site.
21 Posted on 05/17/2000 13:34:17 PDT by Ozark Patriot[ Reply Private Reply To 20 Top Last ]

Jones is just a tad looney. I think I'd wait for other reports on this.
22 Posted on 05/17/2000 14:40:01 PDT by D-fendr[ Reply Private Reply To 21 Top Last ]
To: D-fendr
No, he just digs up the corruption the main stream press won't.
23 Posted on 05/17/2000 14:51:27 PDT by Maze[ Reply Private Reply To 22 Top Last ]
To: Maze
He takes a bit of truth and wraps it in tin foil, IMHO.
24 Posted on 05/17/2000 14:53:00 PDT by D-fendr[ Reply Private Reply To 23 Top Last ]
To: Ozark Patriot
Could be nothing more than a lockdown "drill." Just like a firedrill or tornado drill.
25 Posted on 05/17/2000 14:58:39 PDT by WandaC[ Reply Private Reply To 1 Top Last ]
To: WandaC & Ozark Patriot
"Could be nothing more than a lockdown "drill." Just like a firedrill or tornado drill"
That's the way it is being presented, but "as though a disaster actually occured". I live about 10 miles south of Hollister.
The local news stated that only one kid opted out of the exercise by his parents.
I have no info on any transporting of the kids anywhere, especially now since the exercise was cut from 2 hours to 45 minutes. I'll scan the local rag's article on it and give a link in a few minutes.
Recently, there was a hoopla presentation about the Branson Region getting prepared to be a "Disaster Resistant"? area by careful planning and preparation. I guess that why there are so many underground facilities being finalized/completed.
And I've discussed with Donozark on here about how many of the "emergency" people in the whole area have very strong european accents. Just co-incidences, I guess :-)
26 Posted on 05/17/2000 15:19:33 PDT by NDCORUP[ Reply Private Reply To 25 Top Last ]
To: Monti Cello
"To evade or confuse state jurisdiction?"
Here's the way it's set up down here now --- Borders 100+ MIles Wide (War on Drugs, ya know;-)
27 Posted on 05/17/2000 15:25:44 PDT by NDCORUP[ Reply Private Reply To 19 Top Last ]
To: Maze
Here's the local version today ---
28 Posted on 05/17/2000 15:38:56 PDT by NDCORUP[ Reply Private Reply To 23 Top Last ]
To: 11th_VA
"He also stated there is a FEMA facility only 20 miles away"
There is an Incinerator Facility at Omaha that is in standby condition on 30+ acres (with the barbed wire top facing in). I've shown it to many visitors here and they are baffled about it also. It was supposedly deactivated over 10 years ago, but yet it has full time guard/maint. on site. During this Winter a car or truck tore out about 50 ft. of the fence. It was fixed by the next time I drove by less than a week later.
There are MANY strange things going on in the Branson/Springfield area.
29 Posted on 05/17/2000 15:48:56 PDT by NDCORUP[ Reply Private Reply To 8 Top Last ]
To: D-fendr
How often have you listened to the show? I think it is great. There is a lot of conspiracy hyperbole but it is very entertaining. He covers a ton of news some kooky, some relevant.
Usually people are turned off and insult him because he is such a radical. I would like to hear folks like yourself challenge him on air. IMO he is doing us a service by challenging local officials and getting in their faces. I wish we had a 1000 more Alex Jones.
Didn't the English call us Kooks before the revolution? Didn't the slaveowners call the abolitionist lunatic fringe before the civil war?
30 Posted on 05/17/2000 16:32:36 PDT by Schin Scrape[ Reply Private Reply To 22 Top Last ]
To: Schin Scrape
"There is a lot of conspiracy hyperbole but it is very entertaining…"
Maybe entertaining but pretty damaging to credibility.
I think you have the right take on him, he's there to make a show, which is fine, but requires many grains of salt, that's all.
31 Posted on 05/17/2000 17:38:52 PDT by D-fendr[ Reply Private Reply To 30 Top Last ]
To: Ozark Patriot
I live in Springfield and haven't heard much about this. However, it might very well have something to do with a recent shooking and killing of a motel clerk in Branson by a nutcase living in Hollister.
32 Posted on 05/17/2000 17:49:51 PDT by RichardW (Richard-W@worldnet.att.net)[ Reply Private Reply To 1 Top Last ]
To: NDCORUP
"There are MANY strange things going on in the Branson/Springfield area."
There is NOTHING strange going on in Branson or Springfield.
33 Posted on 05/17/2000 17:51:35 PDT by RichardW (Richard-W@worldnet.att.net)[ Reply Private Reply To 29 Top Last ]
To: RichardW
"There is NOTHING strange going on in Branson or Springfield."
Nice Inclusive Statement. What's your piece of this "pie", eh? :-)
Here's the Incinerator location that is disturbing so many folks, and possibly for good reason --
34 Posted on 05/17/2000 17:57:47 PDT by NDCORUP[ Reply Private Reply To 33 Top Last ]
To: NDCORUP
Looks to me like three corn silos.
35 Posted on 05/17/2000 17:59:09 PDT by RichardW (Richard-W@worldnet.att.net)[ Reply Private Reply To 34 Top Last ]
To: NDCORUP
I don't see anything suspicious. Looks like farm property.
36 Posted on 05/17/2000 18:04:48 PDT by Schin Scrape[ Reply Private Reply To 34 Top Last ]
To: NDCORUP
Why don't you go down to your county office and look at tax maps of the property. Find out who owns it, how it's zoned, etc. Get some names and put them on FR. Then we can do a little research.
37 Posted on 05/17/2000 18:05:26 PDT by rwt60[ Reply Private Reply To 34 Top Last ]
To: Schin Scrape
"I don't see anything suspicious. Looks like farm property."
Sure does. But did you notice the fence top barbed wire? Keeping them there corn kernels inside, aren't they. Plus the fact that this is a verified Incinerator location by many other who are on FR. It's had many viewers from the area and elsewhere that still question it's intended purpose in view of it's publically announced over 10 yrs. ago de-commissioning and de-funding.
38 Posted on 05/17/2000 18:14:28 PDT by NDCORUP[ Reply Private Reply To 36 Top Last ]
To: rwt60
"Why don't you go down to your county office and look at tax maps of the property. Find out who owns it, how it's zoned, etc. Get some names and put them on FR. Then we can do a little research."
Did that. Dry Well.
The Guard/Maint. house is on a little parcel that is adjoined. It's still in the name of the buyer of the wood treatment facility just before it was turned into a MegaFund cleanup facility. I'll find those docs.
The facility itself, I've not I.D.'d the owner thru any available info.
39 Posted on 05/17/2000 18:21:11 PDT by NDCORUP[ Reply Private Reply To 37 Top Last ]
To: D-fendr
I've listened to Alex Jones for more than 6 months. I have researched some of the subjects discussed and found them all to be true. I haven't heard him say anything that isn't true. Maybe you have better do some research, too. He covers items in the newspaper daily. He also cover topics brought in by callers. His show is the number 1 place to find out what is going on in the country, because as Marie Guntrie (Bresnahan's WND researcher) says, everyone is calling Alex because either he or his listeners will help the caller. Marie listens to the show everyday for leads.
40 Posted on 05/17/2000 18:25:47 PDT by blackcat[ Reply Private Reply To 31 Top Last ]
To: rwt60, Wallaby
BTW, Wallaby put on some info about this facility from old articles about a year ago. It notes it's "Shutdown". I'm not sure how long it'll take me to find his info, since it was part of a larger "Incinerator" scam posting with LaFarge in Ohio involved, as well as ol' Jackson Stephans.
If you know please link back, Wallaby.
41 Posted on 05/17/2000 18:26:30 PDT by NDCORUP[ Reply Private Reply To 37 Top Last ]
To: Ozark Patriot
Did you hear the man that called in from the school as it was happening? He said the place was crawling with feds and fed vehicles. Also, the lady who originally called said she has two boys who she kept out of school today. So, that's two kids who 'weren't participating.' She was there with a video camera today. The local police don't have anything to do with this - except that someone (sheriff or mayor) let the feds do this exercise.
42 Posted on 05/17/2000 18:29:40 PDT by blackcat[ Reply Private Reply To 14 Top Last ]
To: NDCORUP
'Silos'.
Well, not exactly.
43 Posted on 05/17/2000 18:44:31 PDT by Boyd[ Reply Private Reply To 41 Top Last ]
To: zook
Sounds like the mother bear syndrome to me. That's why homeschooling works.
44 Posted on 05/17/2000 18:48:47 PDT by vetwife[ Reply Private Reply To 5 Top Last ]
To: NDCORUP, Boyd
>please link back, Wallaby.
Here you go:
Arkansas plant put on EPA list of hazardous sites [on thread of "The Clinton-Gore Incinerator"
45 Posted on 05/17/2000 18:51:02 PDT by Wallaby (wallaby@altavista.net)[ Reply Private Reply To 41 Top Last ]
To: blackcat
Read the schools account above. Seems he's wrong about this one and about the Kileen cop story. It's good to have alternative media, but credibility is important. He's screwed the pooch on a couple of stories he made a big deal about. He may be right about some things, but I'll still wait for other reports before I buy into his reports.
46 Posted on 05/17/2000 18:52:16 PDT by D-fendr[ Reply Private Reply To 40 Top Last ]
To: Wallaby
Thanks, OUR Friend.
47 Posted on 05/17/2000 18:55:21 PDT by NDCORUP[ Reply Private Reply To 45 Top Last ]
To: Wallaby
Yep, pretty interesting. I remember. And, having seen the 'site', ain't no SILOs, but, there was a nice 'landing site'.
Also, there is a very nice dwelling across the 'street'. BTW, it was nice the first time I saw it, then a slum the next time, then an ongoing remodel project.
Heebeejeebies, inc.
48 Posted on 05/17/2000 19:02:02 PDT by Boyd[ Reply Private Reply To 45 Top Last ]
To: Boyd
From Wallaby's link --
" An agreement was worked out between the EPA and Mass Merchandisers,"
Mass Merchandisers, Arkwood Products, Millbrook Distribution, McKesson, and now Ritchie is one trail of names.
Nothing strange here :-)
And the facility is sitting there with 24 hour attendence, a new rail spur switch, helipad marker, people stopper fence aimed in and nervous activity when you drive down that country road.
I smell Jack Stephans nearby."
25 Posted on 09/13/1999 11:57:28 PDT by NDCORUP
49 Posted on 05/17/2000 19:06:15 PDT by NDCORUP[ Reply Private Reply To 48 Top Last ]
To: Wallaby
From the link
"The only activity left is the monitoring for pentachlorophenol in area creeks. Bary said that will continue for 30 years."
Interesting that a site like the Omaha one would have all of the continued expense of "prepared for operation at any time". They said the only activity left is monitoring creeks in the area.
Here's some book and page numbers transfering part of this property around --- McKesson to Ritchie -Book 296 page350 Millbrook to McKesson-Book 296 page354
My limited ability on searches brings up something that may be of interest in the Blood Trail. There is a McKesson showing up as a player in BioMed products.
Who knows?
BTW, there was mention in the area that approx. $35 million was the money that moved from hands to hands in the Omaha site. That gets some bigger players interested/involved.
26 Posted on 09/13/1999 12:38:23 PDT by NDCORUP [
50 Posted on 05/17/2000 19:11:56 PDT by NDCORUP[ Reply Private Reply To 45 Top Last ]
To: D-fendr
What are you talking about? If you are referring to the newspaper article above, it doesn't even address any of the issues. Alex Jones hasn't said anything about this whole issue, he has simply taken phone calls from parents at the school. He only knows what they tell him. Until somebody prints a story that addresses the issues or until we get to see the videotapes, we won't know what the facts are....But I would expect some lawsuits before this is over.
51 Posted on 05/17/2000 19:12:00 PDT by blackcat[ Reply Private Reply To 46 Top Last ]
To: blackcat
I LIVE here and I don't know the facts. This came out of the clear blue to me.
Knowing the folks in the area, we'll get it pieced together. Don't know how soon though.
52 Posted on 05/17/2000 19:16:55 PDT by NDCORUP[ Reply Private Reply To 51 Top Last ]
To: NDCORUP
Phone lines burning?
Time for the 'bald-knobber knetwork' to kick in, eh?
53 Posted on 05/17/2000 19:21:46 PDT by Boyd[ Reply Private Reply To 52 Top Last ]
To: Schin Scrape,ndcorup,richardw
Nice photo of the "corn silos". I think the barbed wire pointing inward should make one think. We don't want those silos to jump the fence and get away.
54 Posted on 05/17/2000 19:21:53 PDT by Ozark Patriot[ Reply Private Reply To 36 Top Last ]
To: D-fendr
I have been listening to the show the past couple days. I heard the lady call in to complain. This thing is taking on a life of its own. They are talking about it now. Parents are calling in who went to witness this event.
55 Posted on 05/17/2000 19:23:15 PDT by Schin Scrape[ Reply Private Reply To 46 Top Last ]
To: Schin Scrape
Yes, I'm listening to Alex Jones now. The man who went to the school today has called in. He attempted to take photos of the busses and bus drivers. One of the drivers told him that he could not take his photo. He took his photo anyway and the bus driver knocked the camera out of his hand. He went to the police and said he wanted to press charges against the bus driver. The police driver told him he wasn't allowed on school grounds!! (I thought the tax payers were allowed on public school grounds but not when the feds take over.) The feds told the news media to leave the area. There was an AP article earlier but it is gone now. Apparently, on Channel 3 and 10 tonight, they showed the kids being told to put their hands on their heads and then they were marched out to the busses.
56 Posted on 05/17/2000 19:32:21 PDT by blackcat[ Reply Private Reply To 55 Top Last ]
To: Schin Scrape
Correction - the police officer (not the police driver). Fill in what I missed!
57 Posted on 05/17/2000 19:34:07 PDT by blackcat[ Reply Private Reply To 55 Top Last ]
To: Boyd & Ozark Patriot
"Phone lines burning?"
Well, THAT's the thing that has caused some problems for "the boys" lately. All that technology, no use.<:-)
THEY don't have a "network" :-)
58 Posted on 05/17/2000 19:34:39 PDT by NDCORUP[ Reply Private Reply To 53 Top Last ]
To: D-fendr,blackcat
D-fendr, you seem quick to try to discredit Alex Jones. I've watched two of his videos: Police State 2000 and America-Destroyed by Design. I saw more truth and credibility on these tapes than I have seen in years of our mainstream media. Mainstream media was reporting 500,000 to 750,000 moms at the Million Mom March. What a joke. There were closer to 100,000. There are so many other examples that I won't even start. Even if Alex occasionally goofs, he's still far more credible than the major networks and goes into places beyond what most conservative reporters explore. I read that Alex Jones is running for Congress in Texas. Replace all the liberal trash and Republican moderates with an Alex Jones and I could stop worrying about the future of my wife and son and actually sleep at nite.
59 Posted on 05/17/2000 19:34:49 PDT by Ozark Patriot[ Reply Private Reply To 46 Top Last ]
To: blackcat
It is amazing what is going on in schools these days. Did he say that the local Sheriff has nothing to do with this and that the Feds are responsible?
60 Posted on 05/17/2000 19:36:13 PDT by Schin Scrape[ Reply Private Reply To 56 Top Last ]
To: Ozark Patriot
Alex was running for the state senate/house, but he bowed out since he thought it was more important that they spend 6 to 8 hours per days on the radio and local TV trying to get the information out to the public, plus working on more documentaries. The caller talked about Omaha, FEMA facility, said that the railroad tracks run right to it.
61 Posted on 05/17/2000 19:39:13 PDT by blackcat[ Reply Private Reply To 59 Top Last ]
To: NDCORUP
Thanks for the newspaper article and the photo of the incinerator. Nice piece of work. I wonder if the "crisis management team" shortened the drill from 2 hours to 45 minutes because of the publicity.
62 Posted on 05/17/2000 19:40:54 PDT by Ozark Patriot[ Reply Private Reply To 28 Top Last ]
To: Ozark Patriot
All the videos can be seen on-line for free. Thats how I saw the videos. Did you see the footage of him confronting Carol Browner the EPA head? That is a must see for everyone. He literally scares the sh*t out of her with his questioning.
63 Posted on 05/17/2000 19:40:56 PDT by Schin Scrape[ Reply Private Reply To 59 Top Last ]
To: Schin Scrape
No, Alex didn't say that. Someone had to give the feds permission to do this stuff - probably a combination of the school board and the sheriff. I earlier said that once approval was given, then the sheriff wouldn't be able to control it because the feds take over.
64 Posted on 05/17/2000 19:41:24 PDT by blackcat[ Reply Private Reply To 60 Top Last ]
To: blackcat
Re: "What are you talking about?… Alex Jones hasn't said anything about this whole issue*… "
I'm talking about this from Jones' website:
Hollister Cover-up ContinuesMass Conditioning is Going on in Government Training Centers (Public Schools) Across the Nation. When the Men in Black Uniforms and Ski Masks Tell You to Get on the FEMA Bus, You Better Jump. And, with this as another example, I still think approaching him with a great deal of skepticism is the best policy. The story of the boy who cried wolf comes to mind. Credibility is important, particularly so when you make these kinds of accusations.Without it you do your cause much more harm than good.
65 Posted on 05/17/2000 19:41:57 PDT by D-fendr[ Reply Private Reply To 51 Top Last ]
To: NDCORUP
'Toof-less Bastards'. My kinda people. REAL ones.
Lotsa 'views' on this particular article. Hmmmm.
66 Posted on 05/17/2000 19:43:34 PDT by Boyd[ Reply Private Reply To 58 Top Last ]
To: D-fendr
Are you listening now?
67 Posted on 05/17/2000 19:45:29 PDT by Schin Scrape[ Reply Private Reply To 65 Top Last ]
To: Schin Scrape
The caller and Alex are concerned about the personal safety of Jennifer Smith who was also on the school grounds, supposedly taking video of what happened. Jennifer will probably call-in shortly. Jennifer is the mother of the two boys who stayed home today. The kids were taken to a 'lock-down' at the elementary school for about 30-40 minutes, then brought them back. One man walked out of the school wearing a black trench coat. I guess they wanted to make it realistic. The Hollister chief of police said to the caller, "Jennifer Smith kept her kids out of school today." They are really after her. The school superintendent has already said that the FBI would investigate her. Jennifer is on the line now.
68 Posted on 05/17/2000 19:48:03 PDT by blackcat[ Reply Private Reply To 63 Top Last ]
To: NDCORUP
Does your county tax real estate? Someone has to be paying the real estate taxes. Where I live, I can ask the clerk at a desk to look up the address of the taxpayer for any given piece of real estate if I know the tax map number. That's all public information. Find out who owns adjoining parcels. Go visit them.
69 Posted on 05/17/2000 19:49:05 PDT by rwt60[ Reply Private Reply To 39 Top Last ]
To: Ozark Patriot & Donozark
"I wonder if the "crisis management team" shortened the drill from 2 hours to 45 minutes because of the publicity."
Please don't forget our (Donozark and mine, As well as others) observations about the "european accents" in crises/emergency management positions. Maybe Donozark will chip in.
70 Posted on 05/17/2000 19:49:46 PDT by NDCORUP[ Reply Private Reply To 62 Top Last ]
To: rwt60
Please read #39 above.
71 Posted on 05/17/2000 19:52:16 PDT by NDCORUP[ Reply Private Reply To 69 Top Last ]
To: Ozark Patriot
If you're going to make these kinds of allegations, you can't "goof." You have to have it locked up tight. Else you become put in the box with fruit loops, like Alex has done, and even when you don't "goof," folks doubt you, because you went off like a loose canon too often in the past. We need credible objective reporters, not entertainers.
72 Posted on 05/17/2000 19:53:33 PDT by D-fendr[ Reply Private Reply To 59 Top Last ]
To: D-fendr
Jennifer is saying that the children were quite alarmed, the feds/police held guns, pointing at the floor, as the kids were marched out to the busses with their hands on their heads. She said a number of children did not attend school today. The busses were 4-5 blocks away. At least one girl was crying; a lot of kids didn't know that this was going to happen. The men were SWAT team members and dressed as a SWAT team. She said that when she talked to the superintendent of the school earlier he told her that he had called the FBI and that they needed to talk to her.
Marie Gunther, researcher for Worldnetdaily, is getting Jennifer's phone number.
73 Posted on 05/17/2000 19:58:05 PDT by blackcat[ Reply Private Reply To 65 Top Last ]
To: Boyd
"Lotsa 'views' on this particular article. Hmmmm."
And mostly Quiet, huh? Gettin' to 1,000, betcha! You know Me!

74 Posted on 05/17/2000 20:00:26 PDT by NDCORUP[ Reply Private Reply To 66 Top Last ]
To: NDCORUP
Yes, indeed I do.
For the uninformed, what would be to the left in the photo. And, while we're at it, what would be at the end of said road? eh?
75 Posted on 05/17/2000 20:05:24 PDT by Boyd[ Reply Private Reply To 74 Top Last ]
To: D-fendr
So what's wrong with the mass conditioning statement? A couple of weeks ago, some citizens from the Chicago suburbs were on the phone with Alex for several days talking about an undercover fed working in their school. This kind of crap is going on all the time. In Virginia, about 3 weeks ago, the marines were having urban warfare exercises where they were stopping school busses.
Marie Gunther is on now - says Alex has reached critical mass now. She says a lot of corruption is going on, that they are attempting to control all of us through intimidation. More in a few minutes.
76 Posted on 05/17/2000 20:06:09 PDT by blackcat[ Reply Private Reply To 65 Top Last ]
To: NDCORUP
I did read it. Does the fact that it's a megafund site mean it's owned by the EPA? Do they get the property when they come in to clean it up? Someone in your local government office has to know the tax status of the property. If it's off the tax rolls, then it's owned by another government entity, or it's a religious institution. Maybe there are some Branch Davidians meeting in there. ; --)
77 Posted on 05/17/2000 20:08:24 PDT by rwt60[ Reply Private Reply To 71 Top Last ]
To: blackcat
"Jennifer will probably call-in shortly. Jennifer is the mother of the two boys who stayed home today."
There IS a Jennifer Smith listed in the Branson/Hollister phone book.
78 Posted on 05/17/2000 20:11:15 PDT by NDCORUP[ Reply Private Reply To 68 Top Last ]
To: blackcat
Thanks, if that turns out to be the case, I hope to read about it from worldnet. I would consider someone other than Jones a considerably more credible source, that's all I'm saying.
I appreciate the discussion and your posts.
79 Posted on 05/17/2000 20:11:30 PDT by D-fendr[ Reply Private Reply To 73 Top Last ]
To: blackcat
Did you just hear that? What was the church name?
80 Posted on 05/17/2000 20:12:21 PDT by Schin Scrape[ Reply Private Reply To 76 Top Last ]
To: NDCORUP
Now they are reporting a church under siege in Springfield, Missouri - if you live in the area, get the news on. KOLR is reporting it - Winrod Church, a right-wing organization?
81 Posted on 05/17/2000 20:13:18 PDT by blackcat[ Reply Private Reply To 78 Top Last ]
To: NDCORUP
http://www.epa.gov/earth1r6/6sf/6sf-ar.htm
82 Posted on 05/17/2000 20:14:41 PDT by wooly_mammoth[ Reply Private Reply To 26 Top Last ]
To: Boyd
"And, while we're at it, what would be at the end of said road? eh?"
As you and a few others saw, it was a $13 Million Bridge that never appeared in any public info by Ark. DOT info.
Now it's done, the "secret hyway" project of $60 Million is complete, and Missouri is ready to tie on to it.
Started by Slick's folks, Completed by Huckabee's folks, With Ashcroft and now Carnahan in Mo. doing their parts.
Man!!! Don'tcha LOVE that Bi-Partisanship for the purpose of putting in a CASINO at a State Line? :-)
83 Posted on 05/17/2000 20:21:48 PDT by NDCORUP[ Reply Private Reply To 75 Top Last ]
To: D-fendr
Here's what Marie Gunther had to say. She says that Dave Bresnahan, Worldnetdaily, interviewed Mary Lou Combs of the school district this morning. Mrs. Combs said that this was going to be a 'fire drill.' There would be no FEMA or federal involvement of any kind. She said the local police would be there as observers only and would not participate. She said that the students would not leave school property, they would be taken to the other end of the parking lot.
Marie Gunther is going to talk to Jennifer Smith and Greg tonight to get further verification that that what Mrs. Combs was lying or didn't know what she was talking about. For example: the kids were taken off school property and who were those guys in the SWAT team uniforms? Marie said that is why the press didn't cover this event - because they were told that this was a fire drill. Marie said THEY are going to come after Alex Jones now, because he is becoming too effective. He (Alex) is breaking these stories open, simply by being a point of contact that receives calls from all over the country and then others investigate to see what is going on. Marie said she cannot talk about all the corruption she is investigating and that they are going after Alex.
84 Posted on 05/17/2000 20:24:17 PDT by blackcat[ Reply Private Reply To 79 Top Last ]
To: blackcat
"Now they are reporting a church under siege in Springfield, Missouri - if you live in the area, get the news on. KOLR is reporting it - Winrod Church, a right-wing organization?"
This guy is a complete nut case. Has been widely reported in the media. I believe he has a "church" about 75-80 miles from Springfield.
85 Posted on 05/17/2000 20:27:59 PDT by RichardW (Richard-W@worldnet.att.net)[ Reply Private Reply To 81 Top Last ]
To: blackcat
"He (Alex) is breaking these stories open, simply by being a point of contact that receives calls from all over the country and then others investigate to see what is going on."
That is a very important point.
86 Posted on 05/17/2000 20:28:49 PDT by Schin Scrape[ Reply Private Reply To 84 Top Last ]
To: RichardW
I am listening to the show off the net. Some guy called in saying he is watching local news and that this church is being raided. Thats it. I just read an article about the church. Supposedly some CI racist church(if that is true or not who knows). Alex Jones is asking folks to call in about this Winrod place.
87 Posted on 05/17/2000 20:38:04 PDT by Schin Scrape[ Reply Private Reply To 85 Top Last ]
To: wooly_mammoth & boyd
Thanks for that link. I know this is running like a side issue to the Hollister Exercise, but there's TOO much going on here. I think a bit of time must elapse.
According to that info the site still seems to be "off the screen" but it's not. Something must be planned as useage for it. Others have seen it's preparation.
Time Will Tell.
88 Posted on 05/17/2000 20:43:27 PDT by NDCORUP[ Reply Private Reply To 82 Top Last ]
To: Schin Scrape
Can you imagine if Rush would delve into and take calls on the issues Alex does. His ratings would double inside 6 months and the main stream press would be hard pressed to ignore this stuff.
Alot of Rush listeners I know dont listen much anymore because its the same crap everyday, hashing over the news and events of the main stream press while Rome crumbles.
89 Posted on 05/17/2000 20:46:45 PDT by Maze[ Reply Private Reply To 86 Top Last ]
To: Maze
This show is a blast. Rush is for a different mindset. This is radical and wild. It also just verifies in my mind why my son will not go to government school no matter how that school board will justify this madness.
90 Posted on 05/17/2000 20:49:34 PDT by Schin Scrape[ Reply Private Reply To 89 Top Last ]
To: Maze
This show is a blast. Rush is for a different mindset. This is radical and wild. It also just verifies in my mind why my son will not go to government school no matter how that school board will justify this madness.
91 Posted on 05/17/2000 20:50:30 PDT by Schin Scrape[ Reply Private Reply To 89 Top Last ]
To: NDCORUP
"The only activity left is the monitoring for pentachlorophenol in area creeks. Bary said that will continue for 30 years."
This is common dry-cleaning solvent; a close cousin of carbon-tetrachloride and trichlorethene. PPT traces can be found in any fresh water stream or well in any area of the U.S.A.
Supposedly, it breaks down into daughter products which are part of that mythic dioxin group. Sounds suspicious to me.
92 Posted on 05/17/2000 20:51:23 PDT by Old Professer[ Reply Private Reply To 50 Top Last ]
To: Schin Scrape
Sounds like the same kind of stuff they said about David Koresh at the time. Don't get me wrong, I don't know anything about this guy or his church, but he is being demonized by the press - rightly or wrongly.
93 Posted on 05/17/2000 20:51:58 PDT by blackcat[ Reply Private Reply To 87 Top Last ]
To: blackcat
I agree. I can't defend racists or an out of control government.
94 Posted on 05/17/2000 20:54:13 PDT by Schin Scrape[ Reply Private Reply To 93 Top Last ]
To: blackcat
Something on Winrod Church:
http://www.adl.org/frames/front_winrod.html
95 Posted on 05/17/2000 20:57:34 PDT by razorback-bert[ Reply Private Reply To 84 Top Last ]
To: Schin Scrape
There only of that mind set because they dont relize rome is crumbling.
96 Posted on 05/17/2000 20:59:29 PDT by Maze[ Reply Private Reply To 91 Top Last ]
To: blackcat
The purely Jewish takeover was promoted by Gerald Winrod in the 1920s and 1930s. In his publication, The Hidden Hand, he promoted The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and saw the Jews as the cause of the depression. The Super Government, the world bank and the “apostate Jews” (“the hidden hand”) were about to take over.
97 Posted on 05/17/2000 21:00:22 PDT by razorback-bert[ Reply Private Reply To 93 Top Last ]
To: rwt60
"Someone in your local government office has to know the tax status of the property. If it's off the tax rolls, then it's owned by another government entity, or it's a religious institution. Maybe there are some Branch Davidians meeting in there. ; --)"
You DO REALIZE that Zinc, Ark. is the Nat'l H.Q.'s for the KKK, That Pontiac,(CSA H.Q.) is just up the road a piece, And a bunch of boys around here are recent decendants of the "Baldknobbers" don't you? :-)
That being said, let me put it this way, --- I reported some of the "crap" going on around around here to the FIB. Now, You KNOW how effective that move ALWAYS is!
But, we go thru the motions. (now)
98 Posted on 05/17/2000 21:01:12 PDT by NDCORUP[ Reply Private Reply To 77 Top Last ]
To: razorback-bert
Thanks for that. I read something similar. Sounds like a nice guy.
99 Posted on 05/17/2000 21:02:32 PDT by Schin Scrape[ Reply Private Reply To 97 Top Last ]
To: Old Professer
"This is common dry-cleaning solvent; a close cousin of carbon-tetrachloride and trichlorethene. PPT traces can be found in any fresh water stream or well in any area of the U.S.A."
You know, FR has GOT to be a PAIN in the butt to "our leaders".
Thanks for exposing your expertise!
100 Posted on 05/17/2000 21:05:03 PDT by NDCORUP[ Reply Private Reply To 92 Top Last ]
To: razorback-bert
Ok, I just checked your link - Winrod is apparently a Nazi and an anti-semite. Repulsive, but what did he do that was illegal and warranted a raid? Is this a 'hate-crime' raid or is Winrod now a terrorist? Further info on this story should be interesting.
101 Posted on 05/17/2000 21:05:50 PDT by blackcat[ Reply Private Reply To 95 Top Last ]
To: blackcat
Most dispensationalists paid little attention to The Protocols until Gerald Winrod gave them a new lease on life. In 1933, Winrod, founder of the Defenders of the Christian Faith in Wichita, Kansas, published an elaborate exposé to show that Jews were in charge of the world's banking system and responsible for World War I, the Great Depression, President Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal, and just about everything else.
102 Posted on 05/17/2000 21:10:49 PDT by razorback-bert[ Reply Private Reply To 101 Top Last ]
To: Schin Scrape
Another:
http://www.newstribune.com/stories/082799/sta_0827990010.asp
103 Posted on 05/17/2000 21:12:43 PDT by razorback-bert[ Reply Private Reply To 99 Top Last ]
To: razorback-bert
Now a caller to Alex Jones show is talking about Gordon Winrod and referred to a newsletter put out by Winrod in which Winrod accused a local police officer of being a drug runner. That will probably get you raided. My shortwave connection is not very good (a lot of static). So I'm having problems getting all the story. Maybe someone else can provide more details about the call.
104 Posted on 05/17/2000 21:13:21 PDT by blackcat[ Reply Private Reply To 97 Top Last ]
To: blackcat
Why don't you start a thread on the Winrod Matter?
105 Posted on 05/17/2000 21:16:20 PDT by NDCORUP[ Reply Private Reply To 104 Top Last ]
To: blackcat
Why don't you start a thread on the Winrod Matter?
106 Posted on 05/17/2000 21:16:21 PDT by NDCORUP[ Reply Private Reply To 104 Top Last ]
To: blackcat
Protestant ministers turned-politicians Gerald Smith and Gerald Winrod identified with Coughlin's politics and praised his jew-baiting lectures. Both men ran for national political offices campaigning on the promise to do something about the national Jewish problem. Winrod came close to being elected senator in Kansas. He even went to Germany just before World War II meeting with several top level German Nazis. He was known as the Jayhawk Nazi .(7) President Roosevelt took personal pleasure in leveling federal charges against the Kansas politician. Right wing extremists during this time accused Roosevelt of being a secret Jew working to use the New Deal to set up a world controlled by Jewish bankers. Winrod bestowed an honorary degree on Billy Hargis who is known in some circles as the founder of the modern Religious Right in the country.(
107 Posted on 05/17/2000 21:27:37 PDT by razorback-bert[ Reply Private Reply To 104 Top Last ]
To: blackcat
One last thing written by Gerald:
http://www.trellis.net/users/freshwaters/godless.htm
108 Posted on 05/17/2000 21:30:46 PDT by razorback-bert[ Reply Private Reply To 104 Top Last ]
To: NDCORUP
Hey guys, I just spoke to Alex and he wants me to send him this thread. If you have any useful info on Hollister or Winrod, please post.
109 Posted on 05/17/2000 21:37:14 PDT by Ozark Patriot[ Reply Private Reply To 106 Top Last ]
To: Ozark Patriot
Your tax dollars in action...
110 Posted on 05/17/2000 23:54:03 PDT by Psicosis[ Reply Private Reply To 1 Top Last ]
To: Ozark Patriot
Bump.
111 Posted on 05/18/2000 00:17:15 PDT by Ozark Patriot[ Reply Private Reply To 1 Top Last ]
To: Ozark Patriot
Bump.
112 Posted on 05/18/2000 04:35:10 PDT by Ozark Patriot[ Reply Private Reply To 111 Top Last ]
To: NDCORUP
It looks to me like the top barb-wire is facing INWARD.
This facility is designed to keep people inside, not outside. Like a prison.
113 Posted on 05/18/2000 04:58:47 PDT by ActionNewsBill[ Reply Private Reply To 34 Top Last ]
To: NDCORUP
from the looks of all the barbed wire fence, I'd say somebody's gone to a lot of expense to keep their hogs penned up.
114 Posted on 05/18/2000 05:12:21 PDT by thinden[ Reply Private Reply To 78 Top Last ]
To: D-fendr
We need credible objective reporters, not entertainers.
You mean like Rush Limbaugh?
115 Posted on 05/18/2000 05:16:02 PDT by ActionNewsBill[ Reply Private Reply To 72 Top Last ]
To: Ozark Patriot
He needs to visit the Branson area. Here's some more sights --- Disappearing Phone Lines.
116 Posted on 05/18/2000 05:47:47 PDT by NDCORUP[ Reply Private Reply To 109 Top Last ]
To: ActionNewsBill
"You mean like Rush Limbaugh?"
:-)
117 Posted on 05/18/2000 05:49:15 PDT by NDCORUP[ Reply Private Reply To 115 Top Last ]
To: thinden
Daytime reader bump.
118 Posted on 05/18/2000 08:45:48 PDT by NDCORUP[ Reply Private Reply To 114 Top Last ]
To: RichardW, NDCORUP
Looks to me like three corn silos.
I live in wheat country. There are silos all over the place that look just like ones pictured by NDCORUP, and they also have fences all around them with barb wire. Probably about 50 within a 5 mile radius of me that have about 2-4 silos each, of different sizes, but all about the exact shape.
It is not uncommon for the wheat to be stored for years! Any kind of water that gets in the silos can and will destroy most of the crop. The farmers dont want ANYONE near their silos for that reason.
119 Posted on 05/18/2000 10:49:52 PDT by knowquest (freedom?not@UScoloniesanymore)[ Reply Private Reply To 35 Top Last ]
To: knowquest
Ever been to the Ozark Mts.? Not much corn or wheat here, and specially not at that INCINERATOR location.
Did you read any of the linked info?
120 Posted on 05/18/2000 10:59:17 PDT by NDCORUP[ Reply Private Reply To 119 Top Last ]
To: ActionNewsBill
I would put Rush a tad ahead of Alex on the credibility scale.
And, of course, I'll revise that estimate if this school drill turns out to be in fact "Mass Conditioning Going on in Government Training Centers." Somehow I think the ranking is safe.
Thanks for your reply and best wishes…
121 Posted on 05/18/2000 11:03:25 PDT by D-fendr[ Reply Private Reply To 115 Top Last ]
To: D-fendr
bump for later re-read
122 Posted on 05/18/2000 11:44:00 PDT by John O[ Reply Private Reply To 121 Top Last ]
To: NDCORUP
Tuning in late and on the run. Have been following the Winrod case. State HP/one helo/CAT-Team/Sheriff's back-up. Winrod has been followed by "hate crime groups" for years. Looks like they got him on some sort of child abuse charge. Haven't had time to get much more.
As for Hollister HS? It was on the news several days ago that things had gotten out of hand. Apparently the school sent home flyers telling parents of "drill." Apparently some parents (living apart from kids) got wind of it through the grape-vine as opposed to official line. Also made the net. Rumors took over. All I had to do when young was learn how to "duck and cover." Kids today have to watch their 6. What is/has America come to?
123 Posted on 05/18/2000 11:48:32 PDT by donozark[ Reply Private Reply To 105 Top Last ]
To: Ozark Patriot
some of you limbaugh listeners should tune in to alex jones maybe you would discover a lot more going on in the usa than they are aware of. thank you for the post.
124 Posted on 05/18/2000 13:17:07 PDT by reform4me[ Reply Private Reply To 1 Top Last ]
To: Old Professer, NDCORUP
pentachlorophenol = insecticide mostly, biocide or precursor for samecarbon-tetrachloride, trichloretheane = spot remover or solvent in common useagepercloroethane = dry cleaning fluidThe reason why the pcp is found at the AR site is probably from this point from the article..."The Arkwood site off U.S. 65 in Boone County had included a millwork shop, a wood-treating plant that used creosote and pentachlorophenol in its process, and a yard for storing treated wood products before sale." They were making treated wood by an old process ( like utility poles). Modern treated wood uses copper arsenite ( green ).
125 Posted on 05/18/2000 13:22:39 PDT by spunkets[ Reply Private Reply To 92 Top Last ]
To: knowquest
You state there are silos all around where you live. How many of the fenced silos where you live have the barbed wire at the top pointing inward (to keep someone in rather than keep someone out). That's the point. We know that silos are not a rarity. Also, the Ozarks area is hill country...very little corn or wheat raised here.
126 Posted on 05/18/2000 15:33:33 PDT by Ozark Patriot[ Reply Private Reply To 119 Top Last ]
To: NDCORUP
Another thought hit me today on your incinerator site. Many states require environmental permits before an incinerator is allowed to operate. You could try contacting you state office of environmental quality, or whatever they call it, and tell them the location of the incinerator and ask them if it has a permit. Tell them you're concerned about air pollution and want to make sure everyone complies with the Clean Air Act.
May I also suggest a book to help you with your research. It's called "CONFIDENTIAL" by John Nolan, former intelligence officer. It's available on Amazon.com. Look it up and see if it might be useful.
127 Posted on 05/18/2000 19:53:33 PDT by rwt60[ Reply Private Reply To 120 Top Last ]
To: spunkets
You are quite correct; my poor, overloaded mental hard-drive kicked in this morning with the difference, but I just now got back on line.
The fact that all are chlorinated hydrocarbons does put them high on the target list of Greenpeace whose members have vowed to remove all sources of chlorine from common use. Trichlorethane (1,1,1) (methyl chloroform) and trichloroethane (1,1,2) (vinyl trichloride),sorry about the earlier misspelling, are not as common as they once were, and perchloroethane (no reference available in Websters, Langes Handbook or Funk and Wagnalls at my disposal) is the common term for dry-cleaning solvent that I confused.
Still, the ubiquity of these chemicals in trace amounts is not surprising nor are they frightening.
Pentachlorophenol has a couple extra Hydrogen atoms and an extra chlorine atom, but is somewhat unstable so the measured residue is likely a daughter-product.
Oh well, one must have something about which to worry, I suppose.
128 Posted on 05/18/2000 20:45:33 PDT by Old Professer[ Reply Private Reply To 125 Top Last ]
To: rwt60
I appreciate your input. Thanks.
129 Posted on 05/18/2000 21:07:19 PDT by NDCORUP[ Reply Private Reply To 127 Top Last ]
To: Old Professer
"Greenpeace whose members have vowed to remove all sources of chlorine from common use."
That also includes common bleach, that I use to disinfect everything I need to, which is quite often since I farm. I also use it to maintain a safe drinking water supply ( stored rainwater ). Cities also use clorination to maintain potable water. Those bozos are ridiculous!!!
130 Posted on 05/18/2000 21:09:24 PDT by spunkets[ Reply Private Reply To 128 Top Last ]
To: Old Professer
Oh, sorry, "per" is a prefix used to denote a fully substituted molecule. All the hydrogens replaced with the substituting atom. ie prefluoro, perchloro are the usual names.
131 Posted on 05/18/2000 21:18:08 PDT by spunkets[ Reply Private Reply To 128 Top Last ]
To: Ozark Patriot
This isn't the real news down here is it?
What do you think of the Law Enforcement Officers down near Gainesville's (Mo.) Siege on the "Religious Compound" to extract the children!?

Where is the media on this one?
They have him,(the alleged leader)the children (his grandchildren) do not want to come out, and now they are portraying them all as a bunch of wackos on the news...Doesn't this sound familiar!?
132 Posted on 05/19/2000 19:59:40 PDT by apocolypse[ Reply Private Reply To 1 Top Last ]
To: razorback-bert,RichardW
This is the same type of nonsense the the media has passed around about nearly everyone in our area in the last few years.
Have you forgotten the national media attention that we recieved just a few years ago regarding the unusually large percentage of patriots in our area that were members of militia groups or were HOME SCHOOLING THEIR CHILDREN.
As I recall they made us ALL sound like a bunch of kooks.
Maybe all of this new activity around us reflects something that they have known could have been a problem for them for a long time.
Remember gang....to the libs, we are ALL kooks.
133 Posted on 05/19/2000 20:37:48 PDT by apocolypse[ Reply Private Reply To 95 Top Last ]
To: Ozark Patriot
sv
134 Posted on 07/25/2000 23:00:00 PDT by Ozark Patriot[ Reply Private Reply To 1 Top Last ]
To: Ozark Patriot
Refresher bump.
135 Posted on 04/05/2001 06:24:19 PDT by rdavis84[ Reply Private Reply To 134 Top Last ]
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